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  •  Hagee (0+ / 0-)

    wants to kill Jews himself? You sound absurd to compare the two.

    SwordsCrossed "To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

    by EnderRS on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 07:28:17 AM PDT

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    •  You obviously can read. Why not do it ? (1+ / 0-)
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      The text of what I wrote is directly above your comment and should answer your question unless you lack command of basic english language grammatical structure.

      •  the answer is (0+ / 0-)

        that Hagee sees some Jews dying in his version of the Apocalypse but his version also provides for some glory to the Jews in the final days and a very leading role in Christ's final plan. He has no desire to kill Jews.

        Hitler had a plan for a 1000 year reich that involved killing the jews. And he killed those jews himself.

        SwordsCrossed "To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

        by EnderRS on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 12:02:27 PM PDT

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        •  In "Jerusalem Countdown"..... (2+ / 0-)
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          Hagee writes that most Jews in Israel will be killed and the rest will convert to Christianity.

          In John Hagee's eschatology Jews, as such, will disappear from the face of the Earth along with the Judaic religion.

          Hitler, as a point of fact, did not kill Jews himself. He convinced others to do it for him.

          •  again what is inaccurate is the comparison (0+ / 0-)

            of intentions and desires. Hitler for example wanted all the Jews killed and went about accomplishing it by all the means at his disposal (who cares if he didn't personally do it, you know he gave the orders that resulted in the murder and was the most guilty party).

            Hagee wants the return of Christ which in his theology eventually brings about a bloody conflict where some Jews die and many convert to Christ. For that to even happen you have to accept the reality of Christ's 2nd coming which is not terribly realistic to me. What will follow from that original unrealistic event is the conversion of all of the Jews (note it is a voluntary conversion, that depends on events that prove Christ's existance). Well damn, if Christ came and I saw evidence of his coming, then I'll be on the bandwagon right away, won't you after seeing God with a sword in his hand? (or even not such a literal event but still a provable one?)

            Obviously I am not saying anything like that will happen, but his claim of Jewish conversion to Christ depends on that, and he is not advocating any forced conversions. There is zero evidence that Hagee is trying to convince anyone to kill the jews but is just the opposite in his support for stronger Israel. In his mind, Jewish conversion is a wonderful thing and unlike the spanish inquisition, his followers are not running around trying to round unbelievers up. Who cares what he believes will happen?

            SwordsCrossed "To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

            by EnderRS on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 03:37:22 PM PDT

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            •  Theology vs. Reality (0+ / 0-)

              "Hagee wants the return of Christ which in his theology eventually brings about a bloody conflict where some Jews die and many convert to Christ. For that to even happen you have to accept the reality of Christ's 2nd coming which is not terribly realistic to me." - Your argument is logically flawed. The bloody conflict Hagee seeks is not contingent on the Second Coming. That conflict can happen irregardless of whether the Second Coming happens or not.  

              To bring about a bloody conflict that kills large numbers of Jews and Muslims, one of John Hagee's stated desires, he simply needs to work to provoke a bloody conflict that kills large numbers of Jews and Muslims.

              John Hagee's theological beliefs are irrelevant to the reality that he is lobbying for and trying to provoke a real, catastrophic war.

              You're refusal to come to grips with the fact that theological beliefs and eschatologies have, throughout history, propelled nations into savage and bloody wars is unfortunate especial if you consider yourself a friend to Israel.

    •  You obviously can read, so why not do so ? (1+ / 0-)
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      The text of what I wrote is directly above your comment and should answer your question unless you lack command of basic english language grammatical structure. And, I doubt that's the case.

    •  Why can't you grasp that (1+ / 0-)
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      John Hagee is lying to the Jews.  His agenda was, is and always willo be about the World According to Christ. He has sugar coated the poison pill which you have swallowed.  He is a brilliantly insane manipulator and you are being manipulated.

      •  well we also disagree (0+ / 0-)

        on what Hagee's agenda will accomplish. Realistically all that is needed is his support for Israel. That alone is of a great benefit and everything else, including his beliefs, is meaningless.

        SwordsCrossed "To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

        by EnderRS on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 12:03:44 PM PDT

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        •  So you think (1+ / 0-)
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          that Hagee's incendiary rhetoric which casts all Muslimns as killers will not further inflame the region?  While the mideast is not yet in total war, it could become so with a mere matchstick. Israel cannot control Hagee or the Christian Zionists. You seem to believe that Jews can dip their toe into the kool-aid, but only to get what Israel wants, and that when they push too far, you'll be able to stop them?  When they successfully lobby for nuclear holocaust, might your thinking not change?

          •  there is no nuclear holocaust possible (0+ / 0-)

            unless it is Iran that is doing the initiating. All the Hagees of the world will not just be able to provoke something like that from our side, despite all the rhetoric you hear.

            I am much much less worried about that happening than I am about possible nukes in Iran.

            SwordsCrossed "To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

            by EnderRS on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 03:30:00 PM PDT

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