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  •  You obviously can read. Why not do it ? (1+ / 0-)
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    james risser

    The text of what I wrote is directly above your comment and should answer your question unless you lack command of basic english language grammatical structure.

    •  the answer is (0+ / 0-)

      that Hagee sees some Jews dying in his version of the Apocalypse but his version also provides for some glory to the Jews in the final days and a very leading role in Christ's final plan. He has no desire to kill Jews.

      Hitler had a plan for a 1000 year reich that involved killing the jews. And he killed those jews himself.

      SwordsCrossed "To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

      by EnderRS on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 12:02:27 PM PDT

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      •  In "Jerusalem Countdown"..... (2+ / 0-)
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        Hagee writes that most Jews in Israel will be killed and the rest will convert to Christianity.

        In John Hagee's eschatology Jews, as such, will disappear from the face of the Earth along with the Judaic religion.

        Hitler, as a point of fact, did not kill Jews himself. He convinced others to do it for him.

        •  again what is inaccurate is the comparison (0+ / 0-)

          of intentions and desires. Hitler for example wanted all the Jews killed and went about accomplishing it by all the means at his disposal (who cares if he didn't personally do it, you know he gave the orders that resulted in the murder and was the most guilty party).

          Hagee wants the return of Christ which in his theology eventually brings about a bloody conflict where some Jews die and many convert to Christ. For that to even happen you have to accept the reality of Christ's 2nd coming which is not terribly realistic to me. What will follow from that original unrealistic event is the conversion of all of the Jews (note it is a voluntary conversion, that depends on events that prove Christ's existance). Well damn, if Christ came and I saw evidence of his coming, then I'll be on the bandwagon right away, won't you after seeing God with a sword in his hand? (or even not such a literal event but still a provable one?)

          Obviously I am not saying anything like that will happen, but his claim of Jewish conversion to Christ depends on that, and he is not advocating any forced conversions. There is zero evidence that Hagee is trying to convince anyone to kill the jews but is just the opposite in his support for stronger Israel. In his mind, Jewish conversion is a wonderful thing and unlike the spanish inquisition, his followers are not running around trying to round unbelievers up. Who cares what he believes will happen?

          SwordsCrossed "To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

          by EnderRS on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 03:37:22 PM PDT

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          •  Theology vs. Reality (0+ / 0-)

            "Hagee wants the return of Christ which in his theology eventually brings about a bloody conflict where some Jews die and many convert to Christ. For that to even happen you have to accept the reality of Christ's 2nd coming which is not terribly realistic to me." - Your argument is logically flawed. The bloody conflict Hagee seeks is not contingent on the Second Coming. That conflict can happen irregardless of whether the Second Coming happens or not.  

            To bring about a bloody conflict that kills large numbers of Jews and Muslims, one of John Hagee's stated desires, he simply needs to work to provoke a bloody conflict that kills large numbers of Jews and Muslims.

            John Hagee's theological beliefs are irrelevant to the reality that he is lobbying for and trying to provoke a real, catastrophic war.

            You're refusal to come to grips with the fact that theological beliefs and eschatologies have, throughout history, propelled nations into savage and bloody wars is unfortunate especial if you consider yourself a friend to Israel.

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