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  •  But they ARE regulated by simple laws... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...and 22,000 extra ones that don't even work.

    The most basic one is a federal law that says that No Convicted Felon May Possess a Firearm. Period.

    And convicted felons go right on ahead and illegally aquire illegal firearms and illegally carry them, because they don't care about the laws.

    You see, they ARE regulated. And the criminals ignore the regulations. So this sort of thing is cheap lip service, not a real solution, with the unintended consequence that it also endangers the lives of law-abiding citizens who are unable to properly defend themselves if need be!

    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross" - Sinclair Lewis

    by Loboguara on Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 10:22:11 PM PDT

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    •  Since people steal guns that are legally bought (0+ / 0-)

      I'm gonna need more to be convinced.  Suppose perfectly law abiding people were legally allowed to keep nuclear rockets in their houses after a background check.  The same argument could be used as the one you just made. I would not find it very convincing if the rocket launchers could be easily stolen.  What I'd find more convincing is some story about what they are good for and why it is important that people have them or be allowed to have them.

      At some point the risks are going to get big enough that my guess is that the trade off for keeping the weapon legal is just not worth it.

      •  I covered this above. (1+ / 0-)
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        Let's apply this to something else. Percocet, a narcotic, is very effective following, say, dental surgery, right?

        BUT...someone concievably COULD break into your house and steal the prescription Percocet you bought legally, sell it on the street. Someone could OD from it.

        So should we ban you, the law-abiding citizen from being able to buy Percocet, because a criminal could steal and misuse it? Doesn't matter that it's effective and useful, it COULD be stolen.

        SAME for guns...exact, exact same.

        You're assigning the guilt of the criminal to the victim. And that's so f-ed up that anyone who thinks that's okay really needs to take a good, hard look in their philosophical mirror and realize just what they're endorsing.

        "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross" - Sinclair Lewis

        by Loboguara on Sun Mar 11, 2007 at 10:36:48 PM PDT

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        •  Well, I think there are good reasons to worry (0+ / 0-)

          about harm to others, but not so much reason to worry about someone stealing something and harming themselves. The issues is not about guilt.  Some things aren't inherently wrong (driving on the left-hadn side comes to mind) but can be made illegal if the benefit to the general public makes it worth it.

          So, to make your case in a way that might convince me you are going to have to say something to distinguish the arms that are permissibly banned from those that aren't. That is unless you think there is no permissible banning of any arms.

          •  Because the arms that are to be banned.. (0+ / 0-)

            ..are merely to be banned because they look scary.

            That's it. That's the truth. Nothing about how often they're used in crimes (not very often at all), nothing about lethality (granddad's hunting rifle with a scope is far more lethal).

            They look scary to people who have been educated by Hollywood movies.

            And that's it.

            And some of those "scary-looking" ones happen to be the most effective made for short to medium range defensive use, which is why police favor them as well. They're good at quickly and accurately stopping a threat without overpenetrating and endangering anything beyond, and work reliably in case more than one shot is needed to stop a threat...which is usually the case. One-shot stops are only in movies.

            "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross" - Sinclair Lewis

            by Loboguara on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 11:52:10 AM PDT

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