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  •  This diary is pointless (0+ / 0-)

    Because the Congress is never going to serve the subpoenas.  If they had done it last week, they would have won the showdown.  Now they've lost their momentum and the window has closed, perhaps permanently.  Idiots.

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    by DelRPCV on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 12:03:37 PM PDT

    •  Pointless how? (0+ / 0-)

      When is discussion pointless?  And, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.  I, for one, think it is good prosecutorial technique.  Here they are -- what are you going to do about it?

      Defense shows all its cards -- then maybe finds out too late that you are playing another game.  

    •  or (0+ / 0-)

      it looks like they are trying to "negotiate" and find a solution rather than just rushing to subpeonas. Perhaps it will show that they tried to work with Bush and he refused to cede an inch.

      Once in awhile you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right...

      by Glic on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 12:07:04 PM PDT

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      •  That's the problem (2+ / 0-)
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        Once you suggest that subpoenas are something that Congress should not "rush" to issue, you lose a huge amount of moral authority unnecessarily.  I reject the premise that there is anything untoward about Congress issuing subpoenas as early and as frequently as possible, but this strategy reinforces that premise.  Now if they do issue the subpoenas, it's "Congress just put on a pretense of negotiating before issuing those 'bad' subpoenas," and "Why has Congress already given up on negotiating?"  instead of "What does Bush have to hide?"  and "Why is Bush directing his subordinates to defy the subpoenas?"

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        by DelRPCV on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 12:14:09 PM PDT

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        •  And why do they have to negotiate in (0+ / 0-)

          the first place?

          If I get caught speeding, does the cop negotiate with me before pulling me over? Before writing the ticket?

          I never want to hear the w2ord ACCOUNTABILITY again from this government, and that includes you Ted Kennedy! You bully teachers without problem, but when it comes to other members of the political class....oh no...we have to be civil. jeez!!

          I love the smell of impeachment in the morning!

          by gabbardd on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 12:19:13 PM PDT

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          •  Well, in some instances (1+ / 0-)
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            that's exactly what he does, just not with you directly.

            Cop pulls you over - you're wearing a seatbelt, not going too terribly fast, not an asshole, have your license/registration/insurance - you probably won't get much of a ticket, and you might not get one at all.

            Act like an asshole, don't have license/registration, have an open container in the car - you're going to be hammered hard. Real hard.

            Unless, of course, he knows you're a local politician, or related to one. Then all bets are off.

            Did YOU negotiate? No, but he sure did. Not with you, but with the likelihood of the amount of static, pushback, and hassle giving you a ticket is going to bring HIM.

            If somebody knows you're going to force them to testify and not only that, you might search their house, computer, question all their staff, friends, etc. - you don't have to FORCE anything. They talk because they're trying to limit the damage. Same reason most people are polite and cooperative when they're stopped by a cop - they're trying to limit the damage.

            Same reason people in this administration get fired - trying to limit the damage, to keep something even WORSE from coming out or being found out.

            But Bush acts like that obnoxious teenager who baits the cop, tries to show off, and generally makes things worse for himself. And he's really in obnoxious teen mode now.

        •  And I thought your original (0+ / 0-)

          premise was that this diary is pointless.  You've generated enough discussion.

    •  I disagree (2+ / 0-)
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      mmacdDE, wonmug

      No momentum is lost.  If anything, it's building.

      Meanwhile Waxman and Leahy are displaying restraint.  Far better politically than rushing to use subpoenas before at least an appearance of negotiation.

      "When watchdogs, bird dogs, and bull dogs morph into lap dogs, lazy dogs, or yellow dogs, the nation is in trouble." - Ted Stannard

      by jrooth on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 12:27:41 PM PDT

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