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  •  Once again, Senate has a power of VETO (0+ / 0-)

    over a treaty.  It does not have affirmative treaty-making power.  What's so difficult to understand about that.  Senate can advise all it wants, but if the President refuses to sign a treaty there is nothing for Senate to vote on or consent to.

    •  The Congress shall have the power... (0+ / 0-)

      In this case, the Senate has the power of advise and consent. Nothing happens without its advise and consent. No treaty, nothing. zip, nada...

      Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

      by rktect on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 06:24:58 PM PDT

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      •  That's why the Senate has a power of a veto (0+ / 0-)

        Thatios just what I said.  But ifthe Senate wants a treaty, but the President does not, also nothing happens.

        •  The Senate does not have a Veto (0+ / 0-)

          it has the power of advise and consent and does not need a veto as there is nothing to veto if it does not consent.

          If the Senate wants a treaty and the President doesn't, then the Senate may still get what it wants through legislation or regulation by for example making a law that all imports from China must comply with US labor laws.

          Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

          by rktect on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 07:28:35 AM PDT

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          •  Legislation unlike a treaty (0+ / 0-)

            binds only the US.  It does not bind China.  for instance Congress can pass all the legislation it wants, but in the absence of a treaty there can be no extradition from China.

            Furthermore, "refusing consent" and "veto" are one and the same.

            •  To advise and consent is more than to consent (0+ / 0-)

              if to refuse consent equates to a Veto, what about the part of the phrase that reads ...by and with the advise...?

              Congress can take away Chinas most favored nation trade status simply by passing the legislation to do so. China may then refuse to trade with the US, call in its debts and bankrupt us.

              We may then nationalize all their assets in the US and before long extradition from China is the least of our problems.

              The time consuming investigations and deliberations of Congress that allow them to advise and consent are a big part of the process

              Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

              by rktect on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 12:18:35 PM PDT

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