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  •  Well... (4+ / 0-)
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    shpilk, Eric S, zemblan, jhritz

    ...I will grant you that there's an overuse of some terms in these conversations,as far as I can tell after maybe two weeks of taking part in them. For example, the terms 'apartheid' and 'fascist' and 'Nazi state' with regard to Israel. I can't speak with any authority to the use of the term anti-Semite, but on the few occasions when I've seen it used, it seemed justified. That doesn't exclude the possibility that some people would use it more casually, which is wrong as well.

    Precision. It's not a bad thing.

    In New York, we eat wingnuts for breakfast. And we blog, too.

    by MBNYC on Tue Mar 27, 2007 at 08:05:50 PM PDT

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      npbeachfun

      ...the two are not comparable.

      to say

      For example, the terms 'apartheid' and 'fascist' and 'Nazi state' with regard to Israel.

      is not a personal attack calling someone an 'anti-semite' so that if one had the mind to search for someone's name, they would see several people calling other people this personal smear.

      i hope we haven't gotten to the point where we have so personalized israel to the extent that to say something about a state is the same as saying something about a diarist.

      •  They're absolutely comparable. (3+ / 0-)
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        shpilk, Eric S, zemblan

        We're talking about uses of language here, and I'd suggest to you that what you do not like is in part conditioned and created by what I do not like. These things don't stand in isolation, and context does matter.

        In New York, we eat wingnuts for breakfast. And we blog, too.

        by MBNYC on Wed Mar 28, 2007 at 05:18:37 AM PDT

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        •  what? (2+ / 0-)
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          npbeachfun, callmecassandra

          calling a person at dailykos an 'anti-semite' is comparable with saying the state of 'israel is an apartheid state'????

          that is truly dangerous thinking...

          can i assume from that calling a person a 'baby-killer' would be comparable to calling the state of america a war-state?

          wow!

          just so i understand you, a personal attack against someone at dailykos is comparable to a political attack on a state?

          •  Wrong question. (3+ / 0-)
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            another American, Eric S, zemblan

            It's not necessary to directly conflate the personal accusation of anti-Semitism with the accusations leveled here at a state entity to understand that the latter produce a tone that facilitates the former. Throwing around verbal chaff like 'Nazi' and 'Apartheid' is not an invitaion to reasonable debate.

            And for the record, I think it's possible to make a criticism of - not, as you put it, "attack" - a given state actor without resorting to inflammatory language. The problem is that if someone, as you put it, "attacks" the Jewish state, and especially or solely the Jewish state, whose defining criterion is its Jewishness, people are going to sooner or later think it's motivated at least in part by anti-Semitism. That impression is if anything reinforced by the whole Apartheid/Nazi drool that some people here are fond of,  because it's so wildly off the mark. See this for a shredding of the Israel = Nazi Germany blather.

            In New York, we eat wingnuts for breakfast. And we blog, too.

            by MBNYC on Wed Mar 28, 2007 at 03:03:34 PM PDT

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