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  •  Common! (6+ / 0-)

    What are you guys talking about here?!
    There is a military occupation going on. Palestinian kids are starving to death. Entire generations of bigoted haters are being raised right now. It is absolutely incomprehensible to me, that you ask for a gesture to ensure "good faith". It is incomprehensible to me that rational people who care for human life and dignity can believe this is reason enough for Israel to refrain from engaging in negotations.
    What are you guys expecting?! You want Meshaal to sing Yerushalaim shel Zaav with Livni? If the fact that Abbas has a strong government and is willing to negotiate and accept a deal that looks like the Geneva accords..TOMORROW, is not enough for you to call immediately and strongly for Israel to engage in high level permanent status negotiations...then I will simply stop hoping you ever will.
    The fact that Hamas is being a pain in the ass is no excuse. The occupation is a horrible crime each day and each day the chances for peace fade away.
    The arabs said no in 36', they said no in 48', they said no in 68. The arabs have said no way too many times. But in 2007, Israel says no, and the good people in this country are just looking away.
    Shalom

    "There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people." Howard Zinn

    by Chilean Jew on Tue Mar 27, 2007 at 08:57:31 PM PDT

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    •  Pain in the ass? (2+ / 0-)
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      Are you saying that the Palestinians are saying yes in 2007?   Hamas is part of the Palestinian government and they certainly aren't saying yes.  

      You want Meshaal to sing Yerushalaim shel Zaav with Livni?

       

      Um, no, but I would like all of the parties in the Palestinian government (meaning Hamas too) to acknowledge the Quartet principles, which include acknowledging Israel's right to exist, renouncing violence, and endorsing past agreements between Israel and the Palestinians.  Its really not much to ask.  No one has to give up any land or substantive rights.   Until Hamas can sign onto these very basic good faith gestures, it is the Palestinians who are again saying no in 2007.  

      i was france ave when they came out dancing. i was lyndale south. i was kicking it with cousins.

      by Mia Dolan on Tue Mar 27, 2007 at 09:13:31 PM PDT

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    •  Above you talk about the free flow of ideas (0+ / 0-)

      but you only have one idea and no interest in any others.

      Goodbye.

      Hopeless typist, poor speller, miserable proofreader, not stupid. And I neglected to mention, a faulty memory.

      by Eric S on Tue Mar 27, 2007 at 10:08:52 PM PDT

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      •  Evidence (3+ / 0-)
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        that I have no interest in other ideas?

        We disagree on this one Mia, I think we should take any chance we have to go further with negotiations.
        The fact is, we all know Hamas is keeping the recognition card under the table so they can use it in negotiations to get something else, just like the PLO did in Oslo. The impasse here is that Israel does not want to go into negotiations bargaining for recognition and Hamas does not want to compromise on recognition before negotiations. Its tactical, its political, its stupid. We should be the grown ups here and negotiate no matter what, prove to the world and the Palestinian people that we are willing to do whatever it takes to make peace, and not that we are willing to wait until we are forced to go into negotiations using stupid excuses.
        By the way, does Israel recognize the right of Palestine to exist in the 67' borders? Of course not, this is (or something very similar) what will come OUT of negotations in a final agreement and not what we need to get into negotiations.
        You know, all this political-diplomatic give and take would be very interesting and fun if we had all the time in the world to settle this conflict. We don't. We will be responsible if we miss this opportunity. We are getting to the point of no return, and anyone who cares for Israel's long term existance strongly believes that is a point we can't afford to reach. Negotiations now! No excuses!
        Shalom Achshav!

        "There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people." Howard Zinn

        by Chilean Jew on Wed Mar 28, 2007 at 06:29:33 PM PDT

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        •  Evidence: numbing repetition (0+ / 0-)

          "...Hamas is keeping the recognition card under the table so they can use it in negotiations to get something else...."  Evidence?

          Negotiations now! No excuses! For anyone!

          Hopeless typist, poor speller, miserable proofreader, not stupid. And I neglected to mention, a faulty memory.

          by Eric S on Wed Mar 28, 2007 at 07:01:44 PM PDT

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        •  i wish someone would... (2+ / 0-)
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          ...tell me what 'israel' israel wants recognized?  is it the one from this morning, or last week, or last year...1967, 1948?

          only a god-damned fool is going to recognize a state when that state grows every day and/or at its whim!

          my point in showing the irrelevance of the term from a legal perspective is to point out the fact that israel KNOWS that what they are asking is virtually impossible and highly unlikely...  they KNOW that they will never tolerate a sovereign palestinian state...they KNOW they like squeezing the palestinians to death on the tiny cantons on the west bank...and, this nonsense about 'recognition' is the silliest of red-herrings in history!

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