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  •  Clintons? (3+ / 0-)
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    How many elections has Hillary won? How many outside of New York.
    Hillary and Bill are not the same person.  

    •  Hillary will be the next President (0+ / 0-)

      You can take that to the bank.  She's won twice in New York, and she did very, very well in conservative upstate New York.  Besides, how many elections has Giuliani won outside of New York?

      She and Bill Clinton aren't the same person, but never in the history of American politics have 2 politicians been more similar, and worked more closely together.

      People First // Hillary Clinton for President

      by Timothy McIntyre on Sun Apr 01, 2007 at 10:53:19 PM PDT

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      •  She's a Clinton...and I fear a flip/flopper (0+ / 0-)

        I think people are sick of "triangulation".  We need real leaders to stand up for principle...if only to negotiate the best deal.  Bill Clinton got lucky on the internet revolution, and it was probably the best of times.  But if he was so good...how can we have gone so backwards so quickly?  His policies have been a tragic nightmare for many things like China policy, environmental policy, NAFTA, Labor.....ect.

        •  Bush is the flip-flopper (0+ / 0-)

          Bush is the one who promised fiscal discipline, but who has blown a hole in the deficit.  Bush is the one who promised victory in Iraq, but hasn't accomplished it.  Bush is the one who says he supports a well-equipped military, yet puts a strained and overextended military in harm's way.  

          I don't think anyone is sick of triangulation, primarily because no one on this website seems to have a clue as to what triangulation really means, or seems to remember how and when Bill Clinton used that strategy, and under what circumstances.  Hillary Clinton's senate voting record is almost identical to Obama's, so if she's triangulating, then so is he.

          Hillary is the smartest politician of her generation and the best Democratic candidate in a very good field.  She has the experience, the intelligence, the track record, and the toughness to win the Presidency.

          People First // Hillary Clinton for President

          by Timothy McIntyre on Sun Apr 01, 2007 at 11:13:42 PM PDT

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          •  Clinton: Walmart Stock Holder/Board member? (0+ / 0-)

            Enough said!

          •  Kos people are dummies? (1+ / 0-)
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            "no one on this website seems to have a clue as to what triangulation really means"

            Well I guess that means we are all dummies here but all Hillary Clinton is the "smartest politician of her generation" as you said in another post. We are not worthy of her brains.

            •  I'm a Kos person, we're not dummies (0+ / 0-)

              My point is that triangulation isn't well-understood.  Didn't mean to unfairly lump you in with others who don't seem to grasp how rarely it is used, but I see that term thrown around on this forum a lot, but in the wrong ways.

              People First // Hillary Clinton for President

              by Timothy McIntyre on Sun Apr 01, 2007 at 11:37:13 PM PDT

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              •  Just a few quick examples STRANGULATION (1+ / 0-)
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                Gays in the Military becomes Don't Ask Don't Tell

                Welfare Reform becomes Something that seems Republican.

                NAFTA is a win-win?  for whom, the people breathing good air in the maquiladores?

                Construction workers in the US?

                Whole cities in Mexico that have no men because they are taking blue collar jobs in the US?

                China and Wallmart are good?

                Either this is triagngulatio...the NEW WAY?  or it is a Republican.

            •  And she agrees! That's the problem. (0+ / 0-)

              Eisenhower- "We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage."

              by NC Dem on Mon Apr 02, 2007 at 06:57:18 AM PDT

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          •  Bush also (0+ / 0-)

            was the "best politician" money could buy and unfortunatly Clinton is looking like the same creature.

            Facts about the states www.netstate.com

            by SMucci on Mon Apr 02, 2007 at 04:35:40 AM PDT

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      •  McIntyre (0+ / 0-)

        Are you a paid Hillary operative skulking the internets?

      •  Can I use your crystal ball? (0+ / 0-)

        Or is it the Magic 8 ball you're using?

        Besides, I don't think Giuliani will be the nominee.

        Yes, Billary have worked together; however, personality wise, Bill would make mincemeat of the GOP candidates with his combination of charm and policies. Hillary can only match him in the latter.

      •  Great... (0+ / 0-)

        I'm really looking forward to good trade agreements that help the American worker. I'm sure Hillary will change NAFTA and every other harmful trade agreement that has left American workers behind. Sure.

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