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  •  My point was different (0+ / 0-)

    My point is that a candidate can't blame his/her lack of success on the mainstream media.  Bill Clinton was a longshot back in '92, and the mainstream media had the knives out for him, and he fought his way back.  Pundits said Hillary would never win in NY, because she was an outsider and the Republicans would destroy her campaign.  She won in NY, and she won big.  She even won in upstate, conservative districts.

    Pundits said she'd never do well in the Presidential race, either.  They said she was too divisive, and that Republicans would ruin her.  Obama had all the early buzz, but Hillary kept fighting and has a lead in the polls and in fundraising.

    Of course, it's still early, and lots can change, but so far she's run a smart, intelligent campaign.  After the Gore and Kerry fiascos of 2000 and 2004, this is very, very nice to see.

    People First // Hillary Clinton for President

    by Timothy McIntyre on Sun Apr 01, 2007 at 11:25:35 PM PDT

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    •  Hillary Fiasco (2+ / 0-)
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      Steffo, memofromturner

      The Hillary "fiasco" of '08 will make any past "fiasco's" look like a joke.

      Besides, we should easily win in 08 given what has happened. It should be a slam dunk tear for us (but we won't win with Hillary). In 2000, we should've won (and we did win till the Supreme Court stole it) had Bill taken care of the Party more than his own personal needs of the moment.

      Hillary is our biggest risk. Otherwise 2008 is ours, even if it's Chris Dodd (and I'm not advocating Dodd either).  

    •  Your comparison to Gore is misleading (1+ / 0-)
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      Judgment at Nuremberg

      perhaps deliberately?

      Here are the flaws in the logic:

      • we're talking about the primary race for 2008. Gore won all 50 states in his primary by whopping margins, which can't be called a fiasco.
      • he did so despite Hillary's close friend Moynihan issuing very critical dis-endorsement of Gore (maybe upon Hillary's request?)
      • what Gore could not put away easily was the general election. The main drawback there was the Hillary's husband couldn't control himself and that led to Gore starting the race down by 18 points (in 3/99) in the race against Bush. You can read this extensive collection of information, data, and anaylsis on Hillary's husband's negative impact on Gore in 2000.

      Now, I like Hillary's husband, OK, Bill, but notwithstanding, his recklessness was a net 24-25 deficit in polls for Gore (he led Bush by 6 points before the scandal came out, and trailed by 18 once the impeachment saga ended). And, I remind you that Gore stood in support of Bill Clinton through the ordeal:

      Hardball College Tour: Al Gore
      Dec. 11, 9 p.m. ET Lehman College, The City University of New York


      GORE: To a man I believe will be regarded in the history books as one of our greatest presidents.


      MATTHEWS: We¡Çre back with that. That was during the day of impeachment in the Rose Garden. Do you think when you look back on it you might have handled that differently?

      GORE: You know, I think what the partisan Republicans did during that whole episode was really a disservice to our country. What President Clinton did was...


      GORE: What President Clinton did, obviously, was wrong, and yet the vast majority of the American people appropriately balanced that personal mistake against all of the things that he did for the country as president. And in the heat of that battle on the day when they had committed what I regarded as an injustice...

      MATTHEWS: Meaning impeachment shouldn¡Çt have occurred?

      GORE: Absolutely not-absolutely not. Not on that. Absolutely not. And as for his record as president, you know the statistics. We had the strongest economy in the entire history of the United States of America.

      We had peace, prosperity, advances on every front. I am proud to have been a part of that administration and proud to have been able to do battle during those times when they were trying to run him out of town on a rail and in a very unjust way.
      There's more

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