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  •  Don't forget Edwards (3+ / 0-)

    Edwards was the one who stuck him with the "McCain Doctrine" label.  That was a nice little political move on his part.  Of course McCain then took it and ran with it.  Its pretty pathethic to watch really.  You almost feel sorry for him.  Almost ...

    •  A little history (1+ / 0-)
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      McCain and Lieberman (who consider each other their best friends in the Senate) were both against Bush Sr not "going all the way to Baghdad" and have been yelping together for this war non-stop since 1991. It was the Lieberman-McCain "Iraq regime change act" (signed by Clinton in 1998) which was part of the justification Bush Jr used to start this war in the first place. That's why Lieberman and McCain are this war's biggest backers and cheerleaders. It's their war more than anyone else's.

      Republicans were for `partisan fishing expeditions', before they were against them.

      by William Domingo on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 07:45:11 PM PDT

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    •  Don't forget Edwards supported Iraq war (1+ / 0-)
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      is what folks won't forget. Like McCain, Lieberman et al...Edwards got it wrong from the getgo.

      •  The BIGGEST difference is...... (3+ / 0-)

        That he has publicly stated that HE WAS WRONG!

        -5.13,-5.63 Start saving money for '08 NOW! Darcy Burner is gonna need it. Yup..She's RUNNIN' AGAIN!! WOO HOO!!!

        by rickeagle on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 08:04:15 PM PDT

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        •  Right. (2+ / 0-)
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          And that is a big difference.  Don't forget that a vast majority of the American public supported the war as well.  You can also put me in that category.  I admit that I was wrong and that the war has turned into a disaster.  I certainly wouldn't hold it against him for having the same change of heart that I did.

          •  I not only supported it..... (1+ / 0-)
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            I was deployed to Kuwait 3 months before the war started.
            I certainly have had my beliefs challenged since then.
            Fortunately I didn't have to be dragged kicking and screaming.
            I only had to open my eyes.


            -5.13,-5.63 Start saving money for '08 NOW! Darcy Burner is gonna need it. Yup..She's RUNNIN' AGAIN!! WOO HOO!!!

            by rickeagle on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 08:18:18 PM PDT

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      •  He made a mistake (3+ / 0-)

        and admitted it.  Which is more then I can say for another Democratic senator who is in the race.  Do you not doubt that Edwards will bring an end to this war?  

        If Iraq is going to be the issue you base your vote on (nothing wrong with that btw) then shouldn't you support the candidate who will be most likely to end it?  Maybe that still rules out Edwards but you should give him credit for being very clear about his positions.  He also ran a hell of a campaign last time around before Dems freaked at the last minute and went with someone with military credentials.

        •  So look for people who didn't make Iraq mistake (1+ / 0-)
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          Again...when people start shilling Edwards in the middle of a thread on McCain and ask that we "not forget" then be prepared to be reminded that Edwards was as gung ho on Iraq as McCain and less circumspect than McCain who at least had the presence of mind to warn it would be much harder than people expected.

          Edwards was wrong on Iraq and didn't realize his "mistake" until polls showed 50% of Americans had turned against the war.

          That is something to remember about Edwards.

          •  there is more good to remember and know about (0+ / 0-)

            edwards than i can list here. so get off the kick edwards bandwagon. enough!

            •  Facts are facts. Edwards record is conservative (0+ / 0-)

              Democrat and pointing that out, as Edwards did quite vigorously during the 2004 campaign when Republicans said he was "liberal" and Edwards denied it, pointing to his conservative record on the issues, is legit.

              "so get off the kick edwards bandwagon"

              I didn't bring up Edwards in this thread so you'll need to address your comment to the Edwards supporters who did interject Edwards' record into a discussion on McCain's problems, Iraq being the main one.

      •  Sure, he was wrong (2+ / 0-)
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        But he didn't support it from the getgo getgo like McCain and Lieberman did. Those two have wanted it bad since 1991. And they don't want it to ever end either, no matter how badly it goes.

        Republicans were for `partisan fishing expeditions', before they were against them.

        by William Domingo on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 08:07:48 PM PDT

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        •  He's not making up a lame excuse either (3+ / 0-)

          I can't stand it when I hear people say that they were voting to give the authority to the President to go to the U.N. to get the sanctions going again.  What bullshit!  Nobody believes that and you just look like a total asshole (like Kerry) when you say that over and over again.  

          Obviously many Americans were duped by the heavily distorted intelligence supporting the war and the false claims about our military's ability to conduct the war.  But I agree with Edward's decision to just drop that.  Its just a bunch of excuse-making.  Just simply state that you were wrong and lets move on to discussing how to get out.

        •  You asked to not forget Edwards actions (1+ / 0-)
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          so you have to take the good with the bad.

          Edwards support for the Iraq war. Edwards never supporting universal health care while in office. Edwards voting against increasing mpg standards.

          Edwards is coming late to the key issues and if we are going to remember, that is certainly part of Edwards history.

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