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  •  It should be overturned (11+ / 0-)

    for the truth on the ground is that they have both citizen privilege and corporate barriers against liabilities. This is incompatible on the face of it.

    So, did Freeport McMorhan get permission to deal with native tribes? How about Bechtel and Boliva's water?

    I mean there are hundreds if not thousands of instances  where multinationals have exercised power and have probably exceeded any 'citizen' authority.

    Just a shot.

    And 'not believing' is not enough, ek. No offense. There has to be a legal assault with standing - IANAL but I have been racking my brain for tactical leverages to do so. It is essential to bringing down the real monster in our midst. You get rid of Santa Clara and the other two decisions will fall by the wayside.

    Illumination is cheap around here.

    by walkshills on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 04:14:36 PM PDT

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    •  Sigh. (2+ / 0-)
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      did you read Jerome's diary?

      I'm willing to wait 'til the Thugs go the way of the Whigs to fight for the soul of the party.

      But I respect those that aren't.

      •  The corporate structure is the beast (5+ / 0-)

        Like any structure, it can be harnessed in many ways.

        Fighting for the soul of the party is essential a fight for territory and control. It went on after 2006; part of that is just the structure, part is the coalitions formed. So, I don't like it but is it better than cut-and-dried backrooms of the hierarchical method the Republicans use. At least we have the basis of proportionality and that implies a lot of coalitions on the way to power positions. The actual processes aren't that different; the manner of the settlement is. We claim to be fairer and more representative of all the population. We translate voices from many into power; the other side claims power from many who competed in some manner. One is more competitive, one is more cooperative; one is somewhat more susceptible to authoritarian power.

        So, Jerome is saying that these new Republicans will claim ideological power. Will they participate that much? Will they try the type of tactics useful in the Republican manner of winner-take-all? Will those be successful in a different process? And a different ideology with an increasing different description of the world? Because if they don't take part, the party is not going to move that much.

        Will we take on the power behind the throne, the corporate voice blowing dollars everywhere, trying to buy the regulation and the laws favorable to them (up to and including the king declaring them legal directly)? Corporations want to legalize their advantages and they are wielding plenty of their power to do it. The laws, starting with Santa Clara, have given them legal accesses to do so.

        So, whew, I been out in the sleet...getting rid of Bush and not solving the equation means you will get another Bush/Reagan/Nixon in the future.

        Or do we say this has been a qualified democracy; that we chose a creation with flaws, specifically slavery and no vote for women, that excluded people. And has forever skinned the Native Americans. We beat the British, but we used their colonial model in many ways going West.

        Or do we correct that and put corporations in a place where they serve some portion of the public good and are responsible for all their natural liabilities from the gitgo and put this nation on something of a level basis where it truly is an unqualified democracy. A real democracy which the Constitution and Bill of Rights defined.

        We have the document, we got the history and structure of law [at least we still think we do most days], and this, to me, is the only real fight. Everything else is some degree of failure, and the transfer of our national problems to our children.

        And they're will be up against howling wolves just like we are. If you're coaching a team, you do the best you can to give your team a shot in the end.

        Subcommandante Marcos said, "Peace is much farther than might be thought."

        And you should sigh, ek, for it is. But it is not out of the question.

        Illumination is cheap around here.

        by walkshills on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 08:05:44 PM PDT

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        •  Such a passionate response... (4+ / 0-)

          you should diary this.  I agree with you in all particulars except this-

          I do think that the Founders had a vision, and creaky as it is we have a system that can work when men of good will run it.

          That it has fallen into such disrepair is a reflection on us, not the system.

          I don't think the mistakes started with Reagan or Eisenhower or Grant.  I think they start every time we lose our focus on the goal of making life better for everyone and instead focus on preserving the privileges of the few.

          That said, there is no need to preserve majority rights.  They are the kool kidz.  I was a geek and proud of it.  I controlled my school through the establishment of coalitions (lots more bandaids than kool kidz).

          I look back on the policies of FDR and I see how far we have fallen.  I look at the distribution of wealth and I say-

          • Pfui.

          I look at the wave mark on the hiil and I say- "long way up there, let's get climbing."

          What else can I say.  I climb every day.

          In the mean time I knock in pitons and belay so that others can climb beyond me.

          •  Haha. Pfui it is. (1+ / 0-)
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            The robber barons and authoritarians screwed up and FDR came in to bring some semblence of balance back into government, some teeth for enforcing the common good. I so see that now, for you're right, we have fallen. More utilities, less deregulation...rescinding the Public Utilities Act will come back to haunt us.

            I do think that the Founders had a vision, and creaky as it is we have a system that can work when men of good will run it.

            I agree wholeheartedly, but we should amend that to people of good will.

            I think they start every time we lose our focus on the goal of making life better for everyone and instead focus on preserving the privileges of the few.

            Certainly these has been the real battles we have faced as a nation since its inception. Aristocracy and their spear carriers; robber barons and their Pinkertons; giant iindustrialists and their phalanx of lawyers and strike breakers; now come the corporatistas and their lobbyists, and the theocrats and their loyalists, Bushco and their cronies. Same battle, same opponents - different fields.

            Climb higher - and good luck. That's a fine analogy.

            We'll see on the diarying. Thanks for the support.

            Illumination is cheap around here.

            by walkshills on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 03:25:28 PM PDT

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