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  •  Hahahahahaha. (0+ / 0-)

    You'd type faster if you'd take off that gas mask. Dig into my archived comments, you little anarchist.  

    I don't just consult entertainment clients and as mentioned before, you don't get to know me, kiddo.  But who I represent is utterly immaterial to the basic facts I presented.  You know dick about music.  You are an intellectual property thief and a supporter of this philosophy.  You know Linux and are a programmer script kiddie with a UID out near Pluto - a noob to an old stomping ground of mine.  And you're questioning my intents?

    Transparent crap, lizard.

    If you can dispute my arguments, do it, son.  You can't because you don't even know enough about my industry to understand why what you are doing is wrong.  

    All you can do is whine that you deserve everyone's music for free and that I'm a doody head.

    You make me sleepy and I'm typing from a casino bar.

    "Life is a dream for the wise, a game for the fool, a comedy for the rich, a tragedy for the poor." --Sholem Yakov Rabinowitz

    by Back in the Cave on Sat Apr 14, 2007 at 01:52:37 AM PDT

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    •  if you ever bother to make any arguments (0+ / 0-)

      I may bother to try to refute them. So far, all you've come up with is an incoherent collection of RIAA talking points, some perhaps in forms that might surprise the original author because they made even less sense than the originals did.

      I recommend you buy another 10 drinks or so and drink them quickly. While they won't improve your coherence, perhaps they'll shake loose something that'll pass for an argument.

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      by alizard on Sat Apr 14, 2007 at 03:39:20 AM PDT

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      •  :) (0+ / 0-)

        Not a drinker, but the flame is duly noted.

        You're no longer even amusing and your insults are as lifted from the works of others as the music you steal.  Your wit is is the only thing remotely drunk here.

        It's been amusing, but you'll pardon me.  I have to go leach off the good of the land or something :)

        "Life is a dream for the wise, a game for the fool, a comedy for the rich, a tragedy for the poor." --Sholem Yakov Rabinowitz

        by Back in the Cave on Sat Apr 14, 2007 at 10:41:11 AM PDT

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    •  I hate to interrupt a really good flame war (0+ / 0-)

      but the problem with your understanding of the business comes in when certain artists (like yrstruly), obviously not making big bucks, decide that their music is theirs and doesn't belong to anyone else, can't belong to anyone else, doesn't even really belong to me at all in the first place because music is not a thing, it is intangible and can't be owned any more than land can, and this causes me to say enough of all these people who don't perform with me on stage making it hard for me to pay my bills.....when a critical mass of artists reach these conclusions the record industry as we know it will have collapsed and the music industry will go on, just fine, as it did before the record industry hierarchy grafted itself onto the process of making, playing, and enjoying music....

      I didn't go to Berklee, but my music timeline doesn't start with Edison, Marconi, or Col. Tom Parker....and as great as those individuals and their accomplishments were, none of them motherfuckers played a note....in fact this discussion (how does one play music and eat at the same time?) has been going on since at least the time of Mozart, and as usual, external social and technological changes have upset the existing business model (and those who profit from it).

      But, hell, I'm just a drummer in a rock n roll band, so obviously I don't know shit....and if the foregoing is any guide, I must be a communist too.

      Dreams of empire die hard; empire, that goes away quickly.--Juan Cole

      by nota bene on Sat Apr 14, 2007 at 09:23:28 AM PDT

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      •  That's fine (0+ / 0-)

        We're not remotely in argument.  Like I mentioned many times before, you don't have to make your music a product.  You don't have to accept an offer to sell it to an investor.  You can keep it and give it away and keep your play local.  This isn't the point.  The point is that some people want to make a career out of being a musician and realize that their stuff is significant such that someone would see the wisdom in helping you brighten the far reaches of the globe with it.  A prospect that no musician or even medium sized label can afford to do.  It is a very involved process and involves a lot of people helping you.  

        Not involving yourself in the process isn't communist.  That picture was painted on a canvass of whiny motherfuckers complaining that they can't nick the product of those who do choose to build their family's nest egg with it.

        Good luck with your band.

        "Life is a dream for the wise, a game for the fool, a comedy for the rich, a tragedy for the poor." --Sholem Yakov Rabinowitz

        by Back in the Cave on Sat Apr 14, 2007 at 10:34:41 AM PDT

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        •  OK, glad we got that cleared up (0+ / 0-)

          It's hard to see the huge structural changes happening all around you in an industry when you're right in the middle of it, but I think more people in your position are beginning to understand how deep the fissures in the market, which is a good thing....I've said it before--the record business was a bit more figure-out-able just ten years ago, and now the wheels are coming off....

          As for me, thanks for the good wishes....honestly all I want is to find a reasonable middle ground between starving artist and global superstar....I mean, yeah, I'd love to have people listening to me from Anchorage to Zimbabwe, but realistically I'd appreciate it if I could tour on my own from Austin to Wisconsin, sell several dozen $5 CDs, and keep everything I make.

          What I keep coming back to is that CDs (not music, CDs) have become severely devalued, and that (coupled with the advent of broadband and P2P technologies) is what is driving consumers away from purchasing CDs (or mp3s etc). The corporate structure that distributes music from musicians to retail stores is what has been endangered....I believe the era of the superstar is over and we're going to see a return to when music was predominantly local/regional as opposed to national/international....and the Internet, in its own way, makes everybody sort-of international automatically....and then this is all in the context of the drastically weakened American economy during the Bush years. People just don't have the disposable income laying around like in the Roaring Nineties....

          Dreams of empire die hard; empire, that goes away quickly.--Juan Cole

          by nota bene on Sat Apr 14, 2007 at 04:28:26 PM PDT

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          •  you want the middle ground? (0+ / 0-)

            , but realistically I'd appreciate it if I could tour on my own from Austin to Wisconsin, sell several dozen $5 CDs, and keep everything I make.

            CDbaby where you can sell CDs and tracks via iMusic and Cafepress is there for you. You want to promote, find some Internet Radio stations... at least until Back in the Cave's RIAA homies manage to get independent Internet Radio stations off the air. And find some college radio stations if you can find some that match your kind of music. They aren't at risk as far as I know.

            BTW, what is your kind of music? Got a band website you can point me at?

            You can make and sell your own CDs and digital tracks and have people order band mechandise without going to the trouble of having to have it made up and packing it to take to gigs.

            While DIY is still a hassle, it's at least a lot easier to do than it used to be and a hell of a lot cheaper. If you want to test out CDbaby without doing a run of x-hundred CDs, catch me in e-mail and I'll point you at some ink-jet printers that do CDs, paper CD labels are A REALLY BAD IDEA.

            You have to persuade people that they like you well enough to do buy your music and stuff, but ultimately, even if you accepted a deal from an RIAA label, that's still your problem in the end.

            I agree with your conclusions with respect to long-term structural changes in the music market, though I'll add that a large part of the reason why CDs aren't as valued as they were is that music itself isn't as valued as it was.

            It isn't just the quality of the crap flung at us by the modern version of Tin Pan Alley, it's that music has become the background to a lifestyle rather than the center of a lifestyle. And there are a lot of other things one can spend one's entertainment dollar and time on now.

            The reason why the CD still survives is simply that it sounds better.

            There's a big and audible difference between 128K MP3 and CD audio... the 128K MP3 format is not adequate for full-fidelity audio reproduction, and uses various acoustic matching techniques to fool the ear into believing that the sound is "good enough".

            The reason is that a 5 meg 128K MP3 track turns into a 50 meg CD audio track... which you don't want to either download via first-generation broadband or store on a conventional MP3 player.

            Those differences are readily apparent if a person is consciously listening to music, and if a person listens to a particular song a lot... the person is going to be impelled to buy the CD even or especially if she's got the MP3 or even the whole album of MP3s.

            That's why one of Emimem's CDs got uploaded to P2P a few weeks before it hit the stores, and people were lined up at the stores to buy it (and of course, it went straight to #1) People liked it enough that they wanted to hear every single acoustic nuance.

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            by alizard on Sat Apr 14, 2007 at 11:10:32 PM PDT

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            •  the thread is 3 days old now (0+ / 0-)

              which is an eternity in blog time, but here goes....

              I do have a MySpace page but I would like to keep my psuedonymity here....I'll send you an email with the link.

              CDbaby is great. As soon as I have a stable band I'm going to go that route (and I'll go ahead and fork over the bucks to get them duplicated, it's worth it--doing that yourself is an enormous hassle).

              My problem recently hasn't been an understanding of the biz, it's just keeping a fucking band together....like herding cats. Can't stand it sometimes, especially since I'm a drummer and I just kind of have to put up with things from the frontline sometimes....no band means no touring, which means no money. It sucks. I'm teaching lessons and doing odd jobs on the side, but I refuse to go back and work in a restaurant or in retail again, fuck it. The aggravation is too much and I end up focusing on that instead of on music....

              It isn't just the quality of the crap flung at us by the modern version of Tin Pan Alley, it's that music has become the background to a lifestyle rather than the center of a lifestyle.

              Agreed on both counts. The Tin Pan Alley reference is apt.

              I think the CD will eventually go the way of the dinosaur, probably as soon as broadband gets even broader, broad enough to handle uncompressed .wav files....a full CD is roughly 3/4 of a GB, and we're almost to the point where high-end connections can deal with that. MP3 is really not an adequate substitute for CD audio (44/16), although I listen to MP3s all the time....

              Dreams of empire die hard; empire, that goes away quickly.--Juan Cole

              by nota bene on Sun Apr 15, 2007 at 10:10:14 AM PDT

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