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  •  Ok (1+ / 0-)
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    lets agree it does not matter. Lets also agree it makes no mention of the West Bank. So when did the Palestinians claim to the West Bank become undisputed according to International Law?

    •  Actually, it included a map (1+ / 0-)
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      and the independent Arab state included all of the West Bank. So I'll have to turn down your invition to agree.

      When the camel stumbles, the knives come out. (Arab proverb)

      by Ptah the Great on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 12:01:48 PM PDT

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      •  That map (1+ / 0-)
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        does not give Jerusalem to the Palestinians.

        But since we are not agreeing here I will withdraw my offer to agree that 181 still matters. It does not, that ship sailed a long time ago.

        Curiously though, Jordan did not give the West Bank to the Palestinians when they had the chance.

        •  I would be content to base the Palestinians' (3+ / 0-)
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          word is bond, Ptah the Great, MBNYC

          claim on Israel's Declaration of Independence, which provides, in part:

          On the 29th November, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish State in Eretz-Israel; the General Assembly required the inhabitants of Eretz-Israel to take such steps as were necessary on their part for the implementation of that resolution. This recognition by the United Nations of the right of the Jewish people to establish their State is irrevocable.

          This right is the natural right of the Jewish people to be masters of their own fate, like all other nations, in their own sovereign State.

          For me, the issue is not whether the Palestinians have a right to national self-determination alongside Israel. Of course, they do. Rather, the issue is the ways and means of realizing that right For reasons that should be obvious, it seems clear to me that the path forward must be through an end-of-conflict agreement between the Palestinians and Israel that respects Israel's legitimate needs in light of the history of the Arab, including Palestinian Arab, attempts to destroy it.

          Al Gore should be president.

          by another American on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 12:17:52 PM PDT

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    •  Your question has already been answered. (0+ / 0-)

      Lets also agree it makes no mention of the West Bank.

      Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the Resolution before you try to say what is or is not included in it.

      Completely undecided between Richardson, Edwards and Obama

      by Feanor on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 12:05:29 PM PDT

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      •  I have - 181 is not complicated (0+ / 0-)

        All I asked was to be educated on the Palestinian position. From what I gather from every reply is that the Palestinian claim to the West Bank and East Jerusalem is based entirely on UN 181.

        This despite that fact that 181 was rejected by the Arabs and the Palestinians, that in fact no part of it was ever implemented,  that 181 did not give any part of Jerusalem to the Palestinians, that the Palestinians did not declare a state upon it when it was in Arab (Jordan) hands, and that 242 and 338 apparently supersede it by calling for a negotiated settlement.

        Questions answered. Thanks.

        •  There seems to be some sort of disconnect here (0+ / 0-)

          you're saying it doesn't mention the West Bank.  Do you mean it doesn't use the term 'West Bank'?  I don't see why that would matter, because the Resolution does indeed designate the land we commonly refer to as 'the West Bank' as part of the Arab state.  

          Completely undecided between Richardson, Edwards and Obama

          by Feanor on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 04:16:11 PM PDT

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