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  •  The war was won; the peace was lost (1+ / 0-)
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    moosely2006

    Wait, there never was any peace.

    I have noticed "defenders" of Reid talking about how he kind of garbled his message.  I remember somebody calling what he said "inartfull," whatever that is.  Nevertheless, these defenders back what they say is his real message, that the war must be ended through diplomacy and politics.

    But what if his words are true right on their face?  What if a guerilla campaign, financed by whomever, was successful in not being defeated by a superior army?  We teach our children about our own Revolutionary War and the success of George Washington in keeping his army in the field despite incredible adversity.  We won one major battle (Saratoga) due far more to British planning, supply and coordination failures than to Gates' leadership.  We won at Yorktown because Cornwallis painted himself into a corner and Clinton was unable (and late) to help him.

    Is this too hard to take:  Our political leaders created a situation, with failures in planning, supply, initial force, replacement equipment, you name the failure!, in which the finest army in the world (arguably) was unable to defeat a weaker opponent.  

    Vietnam.  Again.  We didn't learn.

    Teachers' Lounge Saturdays, The Grieving Room Mondays, Feminisms Wednesdays, Kossacks Under 35 Thursdays, Luke 11:33

    by algebrateacher on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 06:37:38 PM PDT

    •  It Was a Lot More Peaceful Than Today (2+ / 0-)
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      during the first few weeks after we reached Bagdhad.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 07:00:16 PM PDT

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      •  Only a question of scale (1+ / 0-)
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        I recall that we were unable to secure the road from the international airport; at that time, the Iraqis were still only using sniping.  The roadside bombs came a little later.

        I recall, also, the hit-and-run pick-up trucks with machine guns.  Again, the bombs came a little later.

        Teachers' Lounge Saturdays, The Grieving Room Mondays, Feminisms Wednesdays, Kossacks Under 35 Thursdays, Luke 11:33

        by algebrateacher on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 07:18:17 PM PDT

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    •  great historical context (2+ / 0-)
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      I agree with the common wisdom that this is no longer a war, just a really poorly executed occupation.    I like how Rep. Jackson Lee put it - let's just claim victory and fold the tents already.

      -6.63/-6.31"Giuliani...member of the New York, divorced, pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-stem cell research, gay-friendly wing of the GOP." -Jon Stewart

      by Dem in the heart of Texas on Wed Apr 25, 2007 at 07:10:45 PM PDT

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