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    address it.  Read what I wrote.  
    Sovereign Nations vs Sovereign Nation Status.

    Apples and oranges.

    "It's dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." ~Voltaire

    by atmplant on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 09:47:00 AM PDT

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    •  A distinction without a difference (0+ / 0-)

      A SN has SNS.  A country that has SNS is a sovereign country, unless it's forced into colonial status by a larger power. That is exactly the problem here--Native Nations have been forced into colonial status, and the US has refused to abide by its own Supreme Court decisions and treaties.  And it's the military/police power of the US that keeps them in colonial status.

      Other of the cited SNs have defense and economic agreements with larger states that protect them without colonizing them.  That's why the other examples are important and relevant (i.e., not apples and oranges)--they show that the US way is not the only or the best way, that there is another way where SN and SNS is a distinction without a difference.

      And it works for everyone involved.  Win-Win.  

      Abigail, I'm sure if there is something out there, looking down on us from somewhere else in the Universe, they're wise enough to stay away from us. --Grissom

      by world traveler on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 01:25:28 PM PDT

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      •  Okay (0+ / 0-)

        Maybe not apples and oranges, but not the same either.  This is sooooo cool because I'm learning sooo much.

        What we have right now is not working.  Agreed?  I have been trying to do some research (hard to do at work), but it seems to me you have treaties on top of treaties on top of court decisions on top of laws on top of. . .

        Now, I have come to the conclusion that what I said was not thought out as well as it should have been.  (It was 6 am when I typed my first comment.)  

        But, the whole situation seems completely F'd up to me.  They need to throw out the whole thing, all of it, and start over from scratch.  How can anybody without five law degrees and a couple history and sociology degrees understand any of it.  I mean, I don't claim to understand everything about how my g-ment works, but how in the hell can your average Native American have any idea what laws, treaties, and court decisions are used to "govern" their reservation.  

        I got a serious headache just doing surface research.  I don't think I've ever said this in my life, and I mean no offense, but right now I'm glad I am not a Native American.  I mean, my gosh it's complicated to the point of being incomprehensible!

        "It's dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." ~Voltaire

        by atmplant on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 03:27:23 PM PDT

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        •  That's how the US government wants it (0+ / 0-)

          So confusing that they can do anything they want.  And so they do anything they want. The result is reflected in what you're reading in the comments to this diary.

          Abigail, I'm sure if there is something out there, looking down on us from somewhere else in the Universe, they're wise enough to stay away from us. --Grissom

          by world traveler on Thu Apr 26, 2007 at 08:32:24 PM PDT

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