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  •  Not the same... (0+ / 0-)

    Responsible, democratic, left-leaning governments in Brazil and Chile are not the same as the Chavez government.

    Lula and Bachelet are two of my heroes for the very reason that they accomplish their goals without trodding heavily on democracy and freedom of speech.  Neither of them have sought or will seek to rule by decree or extend their terms of office or shut down publications.

    "I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate him." - Booker T. Washington

    by ajbender on Fri Apr 27, 2007 at 07:56:21 PM PDT

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    •  "responsible" (3+ / 0-)

      You mean they don't pose quite as much of a threat to U.S. designs for the region as Chavez does. You're using "responsible" in the same way the U.S. uses the word "moderates" when talking about the Middle East.

      Chavez is democratic. That there are some causes for concern doesn't change that.

      •  No... (0+ / 0-)

        Don't put words in my mouth.  I mean "responsible" in that they respect their people and the freedoms of their people.  Frankly I don't care much for our Latin American policy, or lack thereof, and could give a fuck if Chavez gives us the odd headache.

        This isn't about U.S. interests - it's about democracy.

        I want to hear what you think when, in 25 years, Chavez is still in power.

        "I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate him." - Booker T. Washington

        by ajbender on Fri Apr 27, 2007 at 08:09:04 PM PDT

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        •  Well, evidently (3+ / 0-)

          your opinions are quite different from the majority of Venezuelans, who obviously feel that Chavez does care about them, or rather that he does follow policies with the aim of improving their quality of life. WHich is unsurprising really, since that is exactly what he has done.

          I guess that's why he has been repeatedly elected, despite the smears and slanders directed against him daily by the mainstream Venezuelan press and despite a U.S.-backed coup against him.

          It's 4:20 AM in the morning here (in London), so I'm going to have to call it a night. I will endeavour to reply to unread comments in the morning, though.

      •  Exactly... (2+ / 0-)
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        Chavez calls Bush the devil. That is irresponsible?

        Public housing, workers rights, healthcare, free trade, social justice, responsible media are the continued goals and achievements of the governements of Chile, Brazil, Bolivia and Venezuela.

        Stop watching Fox News! 50 years ago we funded right winged death squads to overthrow democratically elected governments in favor of CIA funded Dictators trained at the School of the Americas in Georgia.

        Are you pissed because the people of Latin America are  free to elect progressives and socialists?

        Tu es responsable de ta rose Le Petit Prince

        by Brahman Colorado on Fri Apr 27, 2007 at 08:16:28 PM PDT

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