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  •  Yes, be aggressive -- But (2+ / 0-)
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    let's not rewrite history to do it.  The suggested ad text where TAR has the vet talk about fighting terrorism -- yes, there are terrorists in Iraq now, but fighting terrorism is not what this war is about; the insurgency is almost entirely "home-grown," etc.  Enough to say "My job was made more difficult by the incompetent Bush administration..." without buying into Republican descriptions of the war.

    This is not going to be an easy balance -- support a strong military, support the troops, and at the same time be frank about what a foolhardy and wrong war this was from the start.

    We also have to deal with the fact that yes, a strong military is important, but spending more on defense than all other nations combined has to stop, so we can do other things we need to do as a nation.  I agree, however, that as we head into 2008, "Strong on Defense" is a key message to convey.  Some of the rest will have to wait.

    •  Not "war" (0+ / 0-)

      Occupation

      We have to stop using those Republican talking points!

      {:-)}

      "Like the mirror told me this morning, it's all done with people" - Wavy Gravy

      by offgrid on Wed May 02, 2007 at 06:09:40 PM PDT

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      •  It's a war. (1+ / 0-)
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        If you hold an occupation and an insurgency comes, it's a war.  

        If three major factions with lots of subdivions are having major killing sprees and your troops are in the middle, it's a war.  A civil war, and you need to get the hell out of there. Unless you intend to pacify the whole country, which we can't.

        Sorry if I'm being sharp here.  However.  "Occupation" may have described what happened in Germany after WW II was OVER, but it doesn't adequately describe what's happening in Iraq.  CHeck the body count.

        It's not a Republican talking point if it's the truth.

        I really do not for the life of me understand why some at DKos think there is anything to be gained by not calling this damned bloody brutal lethal WAR a WAR.

        I suppose to be accurate it should be called both.  A failed occupation that has left us with almost no control of the occupied country, because it's in the middle of a civil war.

        •  OK (0+ / 0-)

          I suppose to be accurate it should be called both.  A failed occupation that has left us with almost no control of the occupied country, because it's in the middle of a civil war.

          I agree with that part

          Yes, the Iraqis are having a civil war. But if we are discussing the US role in that country, it's an occupation, and a failed one at that.

          By using the term "war" we are bolstering Bush's self-proclaimed image as a "War President" and also playing into the phony "War on Terror" meme.

          I accept your apology for being sharp. My comment was really meant to be snark.

          "Like the mirror told me this morning, it's all done with people" - Wavy Gravy

          by offgrid on Wed May 02, 2007 at 06:55:04 PM PDT

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          •  Hi, offgrid -- (0+ / 0-)

            I confess I did not pick up the snark at all, probably because I’ve been increasingly disturbed by these references to Iraq as not-a-war.  I have a relative on second deployment over there, and saying its not a war has just seemed like the weirdest possible mind game, a total denial of reality, and makes me upset every time I see it.  Your response, and responses on another diary yesterday, give me a better idea of where people are coming from, which I do appreciate.  I certainly agree that we should not use the term "War on Terror."  There is not and cannot be a "war" against a tactic; it sets up a permanent state of "war" that justifies extreme government measures; etc.  

            I still disagree with denying that there’s a war going on in Iraq, one which we are very much involved in.  However, I regret blasting the wrong person with that opinion.  I’ll try to take aim more carefully next time.

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