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  •  What are you going to do today (8+ / 0-)

    Senator Kerry:

    With great respect to your service to your country and party, I wish you would have confined your comments today about what to do about the veto.  I am tired of getting requests for funds immediately after an event like this veto.  Everyone knows we must defeat the enablers and that it will take massive donations on our part.  But this war needs to be ended now, not 2008.  I apologize for the negative tone, but reading your message after seeing the ad produced by the Edward's campaign was too much for me to accept.  We need action now and in the campaign to come.  Please tell us what you will do to make sure the Democrats in Congress do not back down!  If the democrats do back down, then they are also enablers and others deserve my donation.  Show results and then ask me for my money.  Don't play on our anger while there is work to be done today.  Show you are deserving of our support today!

    I do thank you for one thing.  After over a year of lurking, you got me agitated enough to post.  Hopefully not for the last time either.

    •  I think the idea is (9+ / 0-)

      We collect the money for the opponents of these four senators as a means of pressuring them to override the veto...

      •  Then he should state that as the plan. (0+ / 0-)

        His only statement was so that we could tell those Senators that 'we just contributed against them.'  To what and purpose?  It doesn't say.  Sorry - I need to know what the Dems are proposing to do.  

        May 1, 2003 - "A day which will live in bogasity" - Keith Olbermann

        by RichM on Wed May 02, 2007 at 10:51:34 AM PDT

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        •  From the letter that (4+ / 0-)

          Sen. Kerry sent out to his email list this afternoon.

          So go here to contribute to a fund run by our friends at ActBlue that will go to the eventual Democratic nominee in those states and then write an email message to those Senators explaining why you did this.

          He's doing what he did so successfully last fall to help the Dems win the Nov. 2006 election -- using the power of his email list and his blog presence to encourage people to support Democratic candidates in critical races.
           
          The clarity in his nationwide email letter does seem to have gotten lost in his blog post in the rush to encourage us to express our individual opinions in addition to contributing.  

    •  Never disrespectful to question; I welcome it (13+ / 0-)

      And thank you for asking your question with such constructive civility. It's not primarily about defeating anyone in 2008. This about trying to save lives now. As I write in the post:

      But just as last year you defeated the Rubber Stamp Republicans, now it's time to take on these Roadblock Republicans and show them the pressure a committed American public can put on them. And maybe, if we put enough pressure on the right places, they'll rethink supporting the President over the change of course our troops deserve.

      This is about activist pressure right now and trying to get a change in course right now. This is the kind of activist campaign that can get the attention of folks. And I have to say, look back at 2006 – if we can’t prove that we can make these races competitive, there’s not the kind of pressure needed to push candidates on Iraq. There’s a reason some Senate Republicans are rushing to embrace our plans to end the war, and it has at least something to do with self-preservation. A wise teacher of Boston politics once told me, there’s nothing like the prospect of defeat at the ballot box to sharpen the mind!

      •  Please explain to me why this helps? (2+ / 0-)
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        Senator Kerry:

        Thank you for your response and update to your diary.  I understand your response, but I think you are missing a major point I was inadequately trying to make.  I read your entire diary and noticed the paragraph you quoted in your response.  Please understand that we get swamped with money requests all the time.  I just committed the largest sum I have ever made to the re-election fund of my democratic congressman.  I read that paragraph and asked how targeting 4 senators was going to help end the war now.  What is the strategy?  Are you trying to get a veto proof majority.  If so, how is scaring four senators enough.  If the purpose is to raise so much money in this quarter for the opponents of these 4 senators that in July when the quarterly fundraising figures come out, we scare all the Republicans up for re-election, I might be motivated to part with some additional money if you had explained this was your goal.  I wanted you to know that the way the diary was written, I had no feeling that the action requested would do anything to end the war now.   I wish you had been more precise on how targeting these 4 would have an impact sooner than 2008.  

        While not the topic of the diary, I would wish the Congress would pass a supplemental funding bill in the next week based on the vetoed bill.  Give the President a bill with no time tables or bench marks, but at 1/4 the current bill.  The President has insisted on the supplemental funding to pay for his war, so use it against him.   If he says he will veto a bill that gives him exactly what he wants (OK, he gets a deadline of running out of cash which he can't avoid, reinterpret, or use a signing statement on), next time send him the bill for 1/5 of the current funding.  The October deadline and the Republican's statement that give it till September are both addressed by giving the President 1/4 of what he wants.  Trying to make deals with the Republicans on benchmarks or trying to scare Republicans to support weaker bills, will not shorten this war.  Under NO circumstance should any Democrat now support any bill which funds the occupation of Iraq FOR ANOTHER YEAR.

        •  Okay, here (8+ / 0-)

          Say you're a repuke senator and you're voting a big fat FU to your constituents because you know you'll win next time.  No dems are on the horizon in 2008 and you can't give a crap less what the dems in your state think because you anticipate any easy walk into the job next time.

          THEN, you get a zillion e-mails from constituents and others who are stating that they just gave money to ANYONE who will run against you, because of your crap vote.  

          In other words, that non-existent dem opponent is now a pot of money waiting to attract a strong opponent.  

          Or folks are announcing they are financing that dem opponent you've been scoffing at, you know, the one that no one's ever heard of, that has no money . . .?

          And then you have to think, "Senator Scumbag (R)", you say to yourself, "maybe you should think twice about voting with the preznit when your seat isn't so safe anymore."  

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