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  •  Forgiveness... (5+ / 0-)

    for an action which vast numbers of people--less well informed, with access only to publicly available information and the blessings of education--KNEW was wrong, KNEW was bad, and which unparalleled numbers protested...

    is damned hard to get.

    And I say that as someone who rather likes a lot of what Edwards has to say.

    But an example of such egregiously bad judgment -- or abject cowardice in the face of pressure from the White House and public panic... leaves one LEGITIMATELY asking if this individual has good judgment in general.  Was this a horrific lapse, or is this indicative?

    And that, for me, is giving him the benefit of the doubt--at this point.

    There are a raft of others who don't even get that much.  HRC's vote is, for me, a mortal sin.  I'd vote for her over anything the GOP will offer... I'm pragmatic.  But I don't think I'll ever, ever, ever forgive her or trust her--or her judgment.

    "I desire what is good. Therefore, everyone who does not agree with me is a traitor." King George III

    by ogre on Tue May 08, 2007 at 10:34:59 PM PDT

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    •  yes, it's really a question concerning how much (0+ / 0-)

      we as Americans accept empire.  versus our Constitution, and the principles therein contained.  That is the stub.

      We don't have time for short-term thinking.

      by Compound F on Tue May 08, 2007 at 10:39:14 PM PDT

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    •  There is not a Democratic ... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...candidate in the top tier who I trust on Iran.

      •  Obama least likely to attack Iran (1+ / 0-)
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        He has a plainspoken statement from October 2002 about "dumb wars" that he'd have to answer to if he wanted to attack Iran.  And he's running on that statement so its not like he's trying to create some wiggle room the way Hillary Clinton wants to keep her prerogatives if elected or the way John Edwards told the Herzliya conference that the American people could be sort-of educated to go along with an attack on Iran.  

          •  Sigh. (1+ / 0-)
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            O for a Candidate of fire, that would ascend
            The brightest heaven of invention...

            I keep wanting to drag out my "San Diego for Dean" t-shirt, but I keep telling myself that I'm a pragmatic....

            Come back, Bobby!

            "I desire what is good. Therefore, everyone who does not agree with me is a traitor." King George III

            by ogre on Wed May 09, 2007 at 12:49:00 AM PDT

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          •  we're all toast (1+ / 0-)
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            i knewthat obama has been laying in the weeds.

            "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

            by fazzaz31 on Wed May 09, 2007 at 01:01:59 AM PDT

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          •  Mr. Blades (0+ / 0-)

            sir, I don't believe I would vote for a President who wouldn't consider war should the threat be clear.  Mr. Obama is not saying he will invade Iran.  

            Unlike Mr. Bush, I am hoping that the next President will have the wisdom to know when and when not.

            I read your link.  Obama doesn't say he would invade Iran and, outside of Kucinich, there is nary a candidate who wouldn't consider attack, on any country, if there was truly a lethal threat to our country.

        •  At Dem debate: profound mistake to attack Iran (0+ / 0-)

          "I think it would be a profound mistake for us to initiate a war with Iran." - Sen. Obama, Democratic debate April 2007

          Among the top 3 candidates, who else is as clear?  Hillary Clinton at the debate showed, IMO, that she is still ready and eager to "retaliate" and "destroy,"  having learned nothing about how crappy US intelligence or her own judgement can be.  Edwards remarks at that Herzliya conference were troubling to me because it seems like he'd go for another sales campaign for a war, just as with Iraq.  "So Americans can be educated to come along with what needs to be done with Iran."

          I still say it:  Obama is the least bellicose, the least pugnacious.  

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