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  •  Rumsfeld's Earlier Trip to Iraq (none)
    Rumsfeld was also in Iraq in September, 2003, just as Gen. Miller's visit was about to end.  The famous picture of Rumsfeld visiting Abu Ghraib is dated Sept. 6 (Gen. Miller's mission ended Sept. 9).
    •  And when can we assume a WMD (4.00)
      connection in all of this?

      With the non-stop BushCo/Tinkerbell belief that WMD's would eventually be found, there's got to be some link between Rumsfeld's and Wolfowitz's Iraq trips. They surely didn't appear worried enough about the "dead-enders" to travel all the way to Bagdad to get into micromanaging the response to the uprisings, no?

      Since we're collectively screwed for a generation now anyway, if somebody can connect the torture-memo dots with the search-for-WMD dots, we might at least have a chance to push these neocon f**ktwits so far underground that their vortex drags 90% of the war-mongering media cheerleaders with 'em.

      •  WMD link (none)
        If you step back, and consider who they were torturing and to what extent: children, women, elderly people and "military age males"; and combine that with the cast-a-wide-net tactics as to who was rounded up for interrogations, then you are left with a conclusion:

        This wasn't to stop the insurrection. It was a desperation move, in the hope that someone, somewhere would provide them with the WMD evidence they had to find, if Bush and Blair aren't to be remembered as the two biggest idiots ever.

        The WMD link will turn up. Just observe - Washington and the military are realizing that these incompetents are not going to stay around for long - which means it's expedient to spill the beans.

        "I don't do quagmires, and my boss doesn't do nuance."

        by SteinL on Sun Jun 13, 2004 at 10:13:10 PM PDT

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        •  Bingo! (4.00)
          This was torture as political, not military, strategy. Look at the timeline - when was the pressure really ratcheted up? Late last summer and fall - when the press kept saying, "Where are the WMDs?" The Bushies were desperate to find something, because Bush got a message from God that the WMDs were there, and was putting tremendous pressure on everyone to find them.

          But the WMDs weren't there. They aren't there. So our forces began to torture people - anyone, the families of Iraqi scientists and bureaucrats - thinking someone might talk. But there was nothing to talk about, and so they got even more rabid.

          The Bushies didn't just spit on the Constitution, our national reputation, and our international relations - they tortured and killed people purely to look good in the '04 elections.

        •  don't forget (none)
          this was also during the time when they were "searching" for Saddam: October-November.

          They were under A LOT of pressure to "produce" something because of the domestic heat re no WMD, so the interrogations intensified during this period.  Go back and look at the newsreports out of and about Iraq from the time when the torture took place.

          That's been obvious from the beginning, it seems to me.  This was all before Kay came out and said, "the jig is up".  Tony B. was under a lot of pressure, too, what with David Kelly and the report coming out.

          "By focusing fear and hatred on the Tutsi, the organizers hoped to forge solidarity among Hutu." -- Human Rights Watch

          by a gilas girl on Mon Jun 14, 2004 at 06:27:30 AM PDT

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      •  agreed (none)
        Since we're collectively screwed for a generation now anyway, if somebody can connect the torture-memo dots with the search-for-WMD dots, we might at least have a chance to push these neocon f**ktwits so far underground that their vortex drags 90% of the war-mongering media cheerleaders with 'em.

        Thus far the only mention of what information these men and women and children (children!) were tortured to produce is some sort of weak justification for finding who is responsible for roadside bombs killing our soldiers but I would be willing to bet all the money I will make for the remainder of my lifetime that the most frequently asked question was some variation on 'where are the weapons of mass destruction?"

        "...the definition of a gaffe in Washington is somebody who tells the truth but shouldn't have." Howard Dean

        by colleen on Mon Jun 14, 2004 at 07:34:08 AM PDT

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