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  •  On the topic of religion (4.00)
    At mass today our GREAT WONDERFUL Father Jon gave a sermon, and I was applauding!  My son was telling me to stop, but I couldn't help myself.

    Father Jon said that the Bishops who have been out there stating they would keep communion from elected officials (and others) who go against the teachings of the church, mainly the pro-choice NOT pro-war Catholics, are backing off on their stance.  Why? Well it seems that the church teaches that only the PERSON taking communion can make the determination whether or not they are ok to take communion.  The person and GOD are the only two who can decide this.  Father Jon stated that he would NEVER turn ANYONE away who came up to get communion and that ALL are welcome.  

    Further, it was stated that the Bishops job was to welcome people to the table (communion) not to EXCLUDE people.  Father Jon was VERY clear that only GOD can judge.  

    I was glad that today I went to mass (I go with my son who just recently decided to be baptised at 13).  Father Jon is really the only reason I am back at church.  Without him I doubt I would be there as I am SICK to death of all the talk of religion and NONE of the TRUE teachings of Jesus which were LOVE, CARING, COMPASION and NO JUDGEMENT. a ranting mood tonight...better get out of here and go to an AOL crazy chat room : )

    •  Oregon (4.00)
      I was up in Oregon recently for a graduation and it seems that a great many people in a parish in Medford(!) were willing to sign a petition condemning the withholding of sacraments from people who vote and think the wrong way.

      And I wonder if, when Bush asked the Pope to help him get the US clergy to oppose gay marriage more strongly, as the paper reperted today, he also asked the Pope to condone the US's use of torture.  That must have been a fun conversation.

      BTW, I do not think this will all blow away.  I think many people are concerned about this, particularly in the mid-west.  I think there are a lot of decent people in this country who know this is wrong and that it is costing us in the world.  It is important to remind people that rules on treatment of prisoners are there to protect our guys when they are taken.  That is why the US use of tactics that the Special Forces are trained to resist was so sick.  There are some seriously ill folks involved here, beginning with the VP.

      If you're going in the wrong direction and you stay the course, where, exactly, do you wind up?

      by Mimikatz on Sun Jun 13, 2004 at 10:16:54 PM PDT

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      •  Mimikatz--You rock! (none)
        You are EXACTLY correct that the reasons for the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of prisoners is self-interest.

        It is the golden rule in action. That's the good news. Bad news is that now we are going to done unto.

        How is it that supposedly "Christian" people like Bush, Reagan, Cheney, etc., the icons of power, do not understand Christ's teachings. Worse, do not PRACTICE Christ's teachings.

        How can church-goers stomach this. How can Clergy be so blind?

        Okay, I'll answer that. They don't really believe what they say. Actions speak louder than words. Action is truth. Mass-delusion on the other hand has no problem with black is white and up is down.

        Regime Change Begins at Home. Prune the Shrub and Cut the Dick.

        by oofer on Sun Jun 13, 2004 at 11:58:15 PM PDT

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        •  I've been saying it this way -- (none)
          Bushit comtempt for the Geneva Conventions is equalled by his contempt for the US troops from whom he removed the Conventions' protections.

          That means one can support Bushit.  Or one can support the troops.  But one cannot support both.

          I suggest circulating that split.

          A lie is halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain

          by jnagarya on Mon Jun 14, 2004 at 01:00:55 AM PDT

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        •  Christian do-ings & don't-ings (none)

          Politics is like driving a car: Put it in "D" if you want to go forward, put it in "R"...

          by Snixiby on Mon Jun 14, 2004 at 04:18:47 PM PDT

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    •  only GOD can judge (none)
      I thought that was how it worked

      Thank God, someone beside myself thought of it

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