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  •   I don't see it that way (5+ / 0-)

    what you say is logical, but doesn't seem to work in practice.

    From what I've observed, the cultural issues of the religious right are a smokescreen for what's really important, money.

    A one paragraph back page item in the NYT years ago makes my point:
    A missionary interviewed after returning from a trip to Africa on Pat Robertson's plane expressed dismay that Pat Robertson said nothing about the missionary work and couldn't stop talking about his gold or diamond mines (I can't recall which) on the flight to Africa.

    So I think the cultural issues are a red herring and if Giuliani is seen as the guy who can deliver the pot of gold to the guys who run this country (that includes the ones who attended Cheney's top secret energy meetings), he'll be the nominee and he'll get the financial resources to Willie Horton himself to victory if we don't have a solid candidate who can overcome the fear and the lies.

    •  You make good points too (4+ / 0-)
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      I guess the issue is how the true believers will react.  I just don't see the likes of Dobson supporting Giuliani and losing their most reliable cash cow (hatred of gay people)

      Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clarke

      by mathGuyNTulsa on Sun May 13, 2007 at 01:15:32 PM PDT

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      •  $$$, power (4+ / 0-)
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        "Dobson thrives on a role as a political kingmaker" said Charles Kimball, a religion professor at Wake Forest University, in North Carolina.

        And Dobson is willing to use almost any tactic, however incendiary and divisive. On his radio programs, publications and speeches, his favorite targets are gay civil unions, which Dobson would have you believe threaten the fabric of a moral society. He even has a program to "cure" gays.

        Dobson deeply immerses himself in Republican Party politics. He was part of a regular conference call with White House operatives during the 2004 campaign and was consulted by Karl Rove, the Bush adviser, before the nomination of two Supreme Court justices, John Roberts and Samuel Alito. He has a close working relationship with a former House Speaker, Newt Gingrich.

        A few weeks ago, Dobson declared that Thompson was not a Christian. That was news to the former senator from Tennessee, who figured this was simply a calculated Dobson move to help Gingrich, the other potential new Republican entry into the presidential race. Dobson, sure enough, soon praised a Gingrich candidacy.

        Link.  Dobson can easily manipulate his followers and apparently relishes his political power.  I truly believe that his efforts are more cynical and self-motivated than religious.

        •  Of course (3+ / 0-)
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          He is a lying SOB.  He certainly knew about what-his-name, the closeted gay preacher from Colorado and said nothing because it was expedient.

          But bashing gay people is so thoroughly embedded in his campaign, and is so reliable a cash cow and route to political power, that I don't see him giving it up, ever.  So Giuliani is unacceptable to him.  I think he'd delight in being the spoiler in 08 thinking it would enhance his power later.

          Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clarke

          by mathGuyNTulsa on Sun May 13, 2007 at 02:08:26 PM PDT

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      •  I heard a man who I think was (2+ / 0-)
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        introduced as the head of the Southern Baptist Convention. He refused to distance himself from Giuliani on cultural issues.

        I think there's the leadership of the religious right that as you say is laughing all the way to the bank. Then there's the flock.

        It will be interesting to see how they twist the truth  in order to have their cake and eat it too.

        They were successful in keeping the flock at bay on deficit spending which is supposedly a "conservative" ideal. And even on this issue, Clark is the winning choice since he received a Masters from Oxford in Economic, Politics and Philosophy as a Rhodes Scholar and taught economics and would, based on his 2004 platform, work to make taxes fairer for poor/middle and pay down the debt.)

    •  A columnist for Wapo (2+ / 0-)
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      has long exposedRobert$on's pharisee tendencies.  This is information available to anyone.  Yet people still shower this charlatan with cash.  I'm with you on this one: I think conservative voters have proven quite malleable and would not stop a Giuliani ascension.

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