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  •  As much as i appreciate DocGonzo (0+ / 0-)

    that was way over the top.

    "Here they come, marching into American sunlight." – Don Delillo, Mao II

    by subtropolis on Sun May 13, 2007 at 01:13:56 PM PDT

    •  Please explain your view . (0+ / 0-)

      I'd like to think better of Giuliani especially since we may be saddled with him.
      Right now he scares me big time.

      I believe he ruthlessly intimidated minorities and poor people in NYC. When we visited NY during Rudi's term there were some dignitaries visiting.
      Instead of an open, welcoming spirit, the city had a locked down feel to it.

      And my degree of comfort in writing this is reinforced by my husband, who is analytical rather than political by nature. He's troubled by Giuliani as well and for the same reasons.
      I think DocGonzo's judgment on Giuliani is on target.

      Do you have some experience that would say otherwise.
      I'm not interested in character assassination, but the truth here.

      •  Hitler? Mussolini? (0+ / 0-)

        Come on.

        "Here they come, marching into American sunlight." – Don Delillo, Mao II

        by subtropolis on Sun May 13, 2007 at 03:14:10 PM PDT

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        •  well I think that (1+ / 0-)
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          those two, Hitler and Mussolini, seemed like they were psychotic, mentally ill. Hitler enjoyed seeing his "enemies" hung by piano wire.

          It's not particularly evident that Giuliani suffers from mental illness. But I do think he is extremely ruthless, secretly so, and he doesn't seem troubled by corruption.

          I honestly would not want to find out how he would react if he found his presidential power challenged by dissidents fighting for their constitutional rights.

          Who knows what evil may lurk in the heart of a man on whose watch minorities and poor people were brutalized  for the sake of power.

          How many would have thought that Bush - on whose watch Texas became the execution capital of the country and first time offenders were given draconian sentences for having a small amount of marijuana - would sanction Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib?

          Who knows how Mussolini and Hitler acted in public before they were given such enormous power.

          Hannah Arendt said evil was banal.

          I just don't like the lack of a moral compass from Giuliani...not on personal matters which is not for me to judge but on public policy which seems pretty   ruthless.

          •  well, the evidence is pretty slim (1+ / 0-)
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            I mean, who knows what evil lurks in the heart of anyone? Guilliani isn't an angel, sure, but i think characterising him as a potential Hitler or Franco requires a bit more meat.

            … on whose watch minorities and poor people were brutalized  for the sake of power.

            We could say the same about a lot of politicians, actually.

            How many would have thought that Bush … would sanction Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib?

            Oh, i did, that's for sure. I've always seen the badness in that one.

            I'm not trying to stick up for Guilliani, i just think the comparison was a bit much. Sorry for the terse response earlier—i was cooking dinner.

            "Here they come, marching into American sunlight." – Don Delillo, Mao II

            by subtropolis on Sun May 13, 2007 at 10:01:27 PM PDT

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            •  thanks subtropolis for your response (1+ / 0-)
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              and I agree with you that there was no reason to really be surprised about the depths of Bush' depravity.

              your comments are thoughtful and much appreciated:))

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