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  •  Godwin Should Go F*ck Himself (4+ / 0-)
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    Sometimes Nazi analogies are appropriate.  In fact, I firmly believe that it is extremely dangerous to isolate the Nazis as some unique group because it ignores the dangers that are constantly posed by barbaric, right-wing regimes.  In fact, Nazism is merely a point on the right-wing ideological spectrum.  For example, if one were to say that the Suharto regime was a "Nazi" regime, would that somehow "cheapen" the atrocities of the Nazis?  In fact, there were many parallels between Hitler and Suharto - both were ardent anti-Communists who committed atrocities, as to which the Western "democracies" were willing to look the other way because they acted as counter-weights to the Communist menace.  [The West only went to war against Hitler when he signed a non-aggression pact with the Soviet Union].  Frankly, I think that the only reason why so many people consider the Nazis to have been "uniquely vile" was because they committed atrocities against Europeans.
    As to Paul, the diarist is absolutely correct.  He very much comes out of the isolationist, racist wing of right-wing Republicanism.  During WWII, this group was represented by the Liberty League and it was in fact pro-Nazi.

    •  Sigh. (4+ / 0-)
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      You know who was a lot like Nazis? The Nazis.

      You know who was a lot like Hitler? Hitler.

      Can we move past the inane comparisons please? Surely there are more credible ways to make an argument?

      "In the game of chess you can never let your opponent see your pieces." --- Zapp Brannigan

      by droogie6655321 on Wed May 16, 2007 at 07:01:55 AM PDT

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    •  aherm (2+ / 0-)
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      from the wikipedia entry cited above:

      Godwin's Law does not dispute whether any particular reference or comparison to Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate. It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued,[3] that overuse of the Nazi/Hitler comparison should be avoided, as it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.

      •  Etiquette (1+ / 0-)
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        By establishing some peculiar etiquette about Nazi comparisons, the "law" makes people reluctant to use them, appropriate or otherwise.  Personally, I'd like to encourage more Nazi comparisons, not less, because it reminds people how dangerous right-wingers can be.  As to Paul, I think the comparison is right on the money (see some other posts regarding his connections to avowed "racialists" - organizations that are "Nazi" under any definition).

        •  asdf (1+ / 0-)
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          I'd like to encourage more Nazi comparisons, not less, because it reminds people how dangerous right-wingers can be.

          Keep crying wolf. Someday, fascism may become a real threat in this country, and people like you will have been yelling about it so long, no one will listen to us when a real warning is needed.

          "In the game of chess you can never let your opponent see your pieces." --- Zapp Brannigan

          by droogie6655321 on Wed May 16, 2007 at 08:32:14 AM PDT

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        •  Right Wing does not equal Nazi (0+ / 0-)

          Nazis were so far right they turned left, and they bear very little relationship to the modern right wing.  The Nazis exercised tremendous control over industry, and industrial planning.  They were terribly far from the fantasy free market of modern right wingers.  Did they have some similarities?  Sure, but so does every political movement- none exist in perfect vacuum.  It is not only the atrocities of the Nazis, but also a flippant and ignorant comparisons, that make the analogy so absurd and offensive.

          Punch up your blogs and publications with cartoons from independent lefty artists.

          by dhonig on Wed May 16, 2007 at 08:39:19 AM PDT

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          •  Matter of Degree (1+ / 0-)
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            As I said earlier, Nazism is merely a point on the right-wing ideological spectrum.  Viewing it as unique is wrong and dangerous.  As to Paul, I can't give you quotations to prove this, but given his connections to groups like the John Birch Society, my hunch is that if you shot him up with truth serum and asked him about his opinion of Jews, you would not like what you would hear.  He is, as is typical of right-wingers of his ilk (e.g., Pat Buchanan) staunchly anti-Israel and he has been outspoken about allegedly left-wing judges depriving Christians of their "right" to celebrate Christmas through public institutions.

            •  I expect you're right, that I would not like him (0+ / 0-)

              but I also suspect that he is a far cry from the people who marched so much of my family away to their deaths.

              Punch up your blogs and publications with cartoons from independent lefty artists.

              by dhonig on Wed May 16, 2007 at 09:04:49 AM PDT

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              •  Perhaps (0+ / 0-)

                The only difference is that so far his gang doesn't have the power to do it.  But when I hear Tancredo, Hunter - and Paul - talk about what they want to do with illegal immigrants, the echoes of the jack-boots are not too far off.

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