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  •  Let me put it this way... (4+ / 0-)
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    eugene, theran, heiderose1, mariachi mama

    Those Irish, Italian, Russian, and Eastern European immigrants in the early 20th Century that we write songs about and make movies glorifying would be "illegals" under today's policy.  But they were able to work here under the same laws, make unions, and force the government and corporations to respect them.  We're keeping the bulk of new Latinos from doing that, and that's allowing the corporations to keep right on exploiting them.

    Read James Loewen's "Sundown Towns"!

    by ChicagoDem on Fri May 18, 2007 at 08:29:02 AM PDT

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    •  and for every dollar contributed (1+ / 0-)
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      to the well being of the nation they cost 3.00. I take the san e position as Senator Testor, you remember somoeone given strong support on this site.
      "Tester said his first priority is to "secure ports and borders to keep out terror threats, illegal drugs and illegal immigrants." Opposing a path to citizenship for immigrants is "not just a matter of fairness," Tester's campaign website said, "it's a question of national security."

      •  Link please. (2+ / 0-)
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        RunawayRose, theran

        Give a source for your assertion that "they cost 3.00" for every dollar they contribute, or expect your argument to be considered baseless.

        Who you gonna call?

        by Ahianne on Fri May 18, 2007 at 09:16:47 AM PDT

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      •  I support security checks (0+ / 0-)

        And I support verifying the identity of every person entering the country.  Hell, I even support issuing strong biometric IDs.  But you can do that without maintaining a completely fictional and bogus visa system that falls so far behind the actual migration demand that most people just ignore it.  Fight illegal drugs and screen for terrorists?  Great!  But "illegal immigrants" are only "illegal" thanks to a stupid quirk in the law.  Far better to let in everyone who wants, but check each and every one of them than to just encourage people to slip in through the cracks.

        Read James Loewen's "Sundown Towns"!

        by ChicagoDem on Fri May 18, 2007 at 09:23:13 AM PDT

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        •  ic...lets just elimiate ICE all together. (0+ / 0-)

          send that message to 1 billion people living on 2.00 per day.

          •  Sure (1+ / 0-)
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            theran

            And a few people will get here, find out the job market suddenly sucks now that employers can't pay them $3.50 an hour any more, and most will stop.

            I have relatives in India, and I've seen what's happened as the market for labor has softened here and tightened there.  Suddenly that US visa is much less of a big deal.  Although I'm sure people have problems with that too...

            Read James Loewen's "Sundown Towns"!

            by ChicagoDem on Fri May 18, 2007 at 09:59:05 AM PDT

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            •  And India is your example of a progressive nation (0+ / 0-)

              with poverty level unimaginable in this nation.
              3.50 an hour is a lot better than 3.00 a day. i worked in India and you should not use them as an example where people cannot wait to immigrate too... As for rest of the world, i repeat what happened today in the EU.

              EU, UK tough on illegal immigrants, employers
              By Syful Islam from Sweden
              Thu, 17 May 2007, 14:06:00

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              Those who are planning to go and work in European States and the United Kingdom illegally should pause their preparation as the immigration authorities are taking tougher measures to prevent illegal migrant.
              To this effect both the EU and the UK has planned tough fines and prison sentences for the employers of illegal immigrants. The UK Home Office published a consultation paper on its plans and invited comments on Tuesday while the EU on Wednesday drafted a law.

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