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  •  What could Bloomberg offer? (7+ / 0-)

    The only reason for him to run as a third party candidate is Republicans won't vote for a Jew unless he is running as a Democrat out to ruin the Democratic Party.

    •  I think Bloomberg is a practical leader (6+ / 0-)

      I consider myself to be fairly left leaning, but I respect his honesty (he openly admits to having enjoyed pot!) and he doesn't appear to have the ideological blinders on that so many Republicans have.  He has a very high approval rating in NY, minorities think he's done a good job, etc.

      He's a business person and I think he understands finances in a way that Bush simply doesn't care to.  I believe he'd take American finances seriously and, if we're lucky, take a carving knife to the Pentagon in search of savings.

      I'm not saying I'd vote for him.  It depends on who ends up running.  But if he won I think it would really shake things up and I think our country needs to be shaken up.

      Frankly I think it would chasten the Democrats to the point that they might actually stand up for progressive values for once and it would split the RINOs from the far right, marginalizing the Republican party, at least temporarily.

      •  That Is My Taking As Well (3+ / 0-)
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        I am a far left social liberal, but not as much on fiscal issues. In fact I stay away from those from time to time here cause I don't want to get called a troll. As best I can tell Bloomberg is a pretty amazing pol.

        "It is not enough to win, all others must lose," Sun Tzu.

        by webranding on Thu May 24, 2007 at 11:58:48 PM PDT

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        •  Well, you know, at this point, liberals could (3+ / 0-)
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          probably seize the mantle of fiscal responsibility from the Republicans pretty damn easily.  I don't think it's trollish to point out that we have very real financial considerations to take into account when it comes to funding programs.  It's the responsible thing to do.

          You sure as hell won't get responsiblity from the vast majority of repubs.

          •  Well I Should Resay (2+ / 0-)
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            lorzie, YoyogiBear

            I am not for the estate tax. At the very least it should be $15-$20 million cap. I am for letting me put my Social Security dollars into my own investments. For school vouchers. The devil is in the detail, but these are all things that are not popular here.

            "It is not enough to win, all others must lose," Sun Tzu.

            by webranding on Fri May 25, 2007 at 12:26:10 AM PDT

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            •  So you are a troll ;-) Just joking (1+ / 0-)
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              well we can disagree about things, but I'm open to suggestions.  If someone can make a reasonable case for a practical policy in an open debate, fine.  I just want a government that works for the people.  In some quarters, that appears to mean I'm crazy or that I hate America.

              I'm not with you on the estate tax though.  America doesn't need any more aristrocracy than we already have.

              •  Oh You Should Be (2+ / 0-)
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                You earn money and want to give it to your children you can't. I am not talking billions. Just a family that might have bought nice things. I don't think most have any clue of this problem. No clue. It is a fucked up thing to say the least.

                "It is not enough to win, all others must lose," Sun Tzu.

                by webranding on Fri May 25, 2007 at 12:34:11 AM PDT

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                •  But the first several million are exempt. (5+ / 0-)

                  And after that, it's a percentage.  Sorry - I don't have the exact figures with me right now, but it's not like it's going to land them in the poor house.  If you have evidence suggesting that it does, I'd be happy to see it.  It sounds like you just want to keep your nice things.

                  I'm not sure what sort of nice things you're referring to, either.  Art?  Donate it to a museum bearing your name or some such thing.

                  If I'm lucky I might exceed the current limit by the time I die.  I'm not sure I'd give all of what I have to my kids.  I didn't get anything but a college education that was paid for by my parents.  I feel thankful for it everytime I hear about student loan horror stories, but beyond an education that was paid for, I've earned my own way.  I'm not keen to give everything to my kids.  I fear it would make them lazy.

                  There's a good book by Bill Gates' father in defense of the inheritance tax:

                  http://search.barnesandnoble.com/...

                  On an anecdotal level, look at the people who inherited a shitload of money.  Most of them are like the Bush family, Mellon-Scaife, the Wal-Mart family, etc.  Not what I'd consider great Americans.

                  Look at the people who will not give their wealth to their family:  Bill Gates (Gates Foundation), Warren Buffet (Gates Foudation), etc.  I think even Bloomberg plans to either donate his fortune or spend by himself before he dies.

                  I'm inclined to say that simply inheriting a lot of wealth tends to change people for the worse.

                  •  Estate Tax (1+ / 0-)
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                    Right now, the first two million is exempt. Everything over that is taxed at 45% federally, plus estate taxes imposed from your individual state.

                    For instance, the heirs of a five-million dollar estate will still have to cough up almost two million dollars in taxes, which is a lot of money, especially knowing most of it is going to get blown up in Iraq.

      •  His financial strength is very important (3+ / 0-)
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        as our country's economy is now tied to the war machine and detangling this mess will require great skill

        •  Agreed! If a good Democratic candidate does (1+ / 0-)
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          not appear, Bloomberg would be an acceptable alternative to me.  He's a business person - he understands budgets and finances.  And he's not an Enron/Ken Lay voodoo economics-type, as far as I know.  His company, unlike GWs, for example, seems to be fairly conservatively run.

          He's head and shoulders above the other Republicans.

          If he would promise to end the war and refrain from needless foreign interventions in addition to taking a good whack at the pork-filled Pentagon budgets, I'd vote for him in an instant.

      •  Bloomberg is just another (7+ / 0-)

        Establishment shithead.

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