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  •  If faith were an issue for you (1+ / 0-)
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    I cant understand at all why George Bush would be an extremely attractive candidate or a moral one. In fact just the opposite.

    I'm not sure about Washington, but Jefferson and indeed most of our founding fathers were strong believers in faith and also in seperation of church and state.

    "The best way to leave Iraq is to start leaving." -- John Edwards

    by okamichan13 on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 08:19:52 PM PDT

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    •  Bush as a candidate, in 1999-2000, (0+ / 0-)

      was not at all shy about professing his faith, and look what that got us.  It's why I emphasized his status as candidate, not the 20/20 hindsight assessments we can make about how his religion had astoundingly little to do with how he later governed.  

      Jefferson was, at best, a deist, and did not believe that God or a god had a day-to-day interest in people's lives and doings.  The so-called Jefferson Bible was, as I understnd it, more of a moral code than a strictly religious or faith-based text.  

      I fail to see how morality requires a faith in a god, which is what much of the diarist's interest in Edwards' position and several of the preceeding comments appear based upon.

      •  Extremely moral president (2+ / 0-)
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        your words, not mine. I think you are buying into the rights framework of morality, religion, and faith.

        Edwards faith is much more Jeffersonian in its tolerance than Bushlike in its intolerance.

        And I dont see anyone saying that morality requires faith in a god. In fact Edwards says the opposite.

        "The best way to leave Iraq is to start leaving." -- John Edwards

        by okamichan13 on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 08:40:04 PM PDT

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        •  I said (if perhaps a bit inartfully) is that (0+ / 0-)

          if professed faith was that important factor in assessing a candidate, the predicate for the diary and several preceeding comments, then one would expect Bush to be an extremely moral president.  He clearly is not, and for that reason, it matters little to me what a candidate declares in his or her own behalf in that regard.  That was my point from the outset, and I used Bush as an example of the foolishness in judging these candidates with what they themselves say about their faith.

          It applies equally to Democrats.  If you believe that I am buying the Right's framework of morality, you clearly do not understand what I am getting at, for I am arguing the exact opposite.

      •  even as a candidate, one could look at his public (0+ / 0-)

        acts and positions and see that he was just running off at the mouth.  he latched onto the public religion mantra so he could acquire the right wing, not because he was 'professing his faith.'

        "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

        by edgery on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 09:16:56 PM PDT

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