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  •  What sort of body armour (5+ / 0-)

    did Bush, Cheney, Liebermann, Bolten, McCain, Bartlett, etc., wear for their Baghdad photo ops?

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    by big spoiled baby on Thu Jun 07, 2007 at 02:43:30 AM PDT

    •  Secret Service wears Dragon Skin (16+ / 0-)
      Blackwater wears Dragon Skin.

      General Staff Officers wear Dragon Skin for 'evaluation purposes'.

      The issue is cost, not performance.


      The President is not my master. He is Chief among my servants.

      by DemCurious on Thu Jun 07, 2007 at 02:49:49 AM PDT

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      •  How much more does it cost? (1+ / 0-)
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        •  It's more expensive (1+ / 0-)
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          Meteor Blades

          They could take a few days out of star-wars-testing and pay for it.  Jeepers.  These guys, these guys - they're sending our servicemen through a meatgrinder, and grinning at us.

          "Common sense is nothing more than a deposit of prejudices laid down by the mind before you reach age 18." - Albert Einstein

          by willb48 on Thu Jun 07, 2007 at 03:00:49 AM PDT

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          •  Little Known Government Regulation... (3+ / 0-)
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            I've been told the following applies to all government agencies EXCEPT the military, so it may be an invalid point, but roll with it for a second.

            Let's say you have to build a new government facility (or let's say buy body armor).  You have to get a few quotes, I believe 3, in fact.  You've been working with a contractor for years, who you know has done a good job at generally the best price.  However, this time around, a different contractor bids for the job for a lower price; the buildings he makes are shittier--supplies are skimped on, they don't last as long, etc.--and you can tell this just by looking at the buildings each contractor built.

            The law (in a noble, yet misguided effort to block "government waste") forces the government agent's hand to go with the cheaper contractor.  Applying this to body armor, both companies claim to do the same thing, but one costs the government less green.

            It's one of those "good in theory" laws.

            •  Bingo! Only that's hardly a little known (0+ / 0-)

              regulation.  Everyone knows they're going into combat with equipment built by the lowest bidder.  (It's actually the second lowest bidder, if you want to quibble.)

              An old bf of mine worked in AF acquisiton, back during the Reagan administration.  The byzantine regulations involved gave him ulcers.  He was occasionally sent out to visit potential contractors for meetings and tours of their plants, but only rarely did he witness firsthand any of their testing.  Usually, they had to trust the contractors' briefings.

              It sounds like they know about the superiority of Dragon Skin.  But because the Army has already awarded the contract for the other stuff, they're  extremely reluctant to begin the process over again.  

              But this is becoming a PR disaster for the Army.  Keep up the pressure!  This is one thing we might be able to accomplish for the troops.    


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              by Ice Blue on Thu Jun 07, 2007 at 12:49:54 PM PDT

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      •  Our troops should wear the same stuff (1+ / 0-)
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        Chimpy and Cheney wear.

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        by big spoiled baby on Thu Jun 07, 2007 at 02:56:39 AM PDT

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    •  what sort of body armour did they wear... (3+ / 0-)

      ...while serving in the military?

      Oh, wait. Only McCain did.

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      by AggieDemocrat on Thu Jun 07, 2007 at 02:55:55 AM PDT

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