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  •  Yeah, Obama gives him the best (2+ / 0-)
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    bang for the buck as VP.  So to speak.

    •  crossover potential (4+ / 0-)

      Obama also has the most crossover appeal - tons of conservatives and independents  really like him.

      Obama could neutralize the knee-jerk Anti-Gore reaction from conservatives, and win some votes from the other side

      •  I think it's wishful thinking from a devotee (3+ / 0-)

        to consider Obama most appealing to conservatives. I like him, but that's a stretch. Richardson would come out ahead in that category, imo.

        Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

        by bumblebums on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 11:22:53 AM PDT

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        •  no, that's the objective reality (2+ / 0-)
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          Obama has the highest crossover numbers in Iowa when republicans are asked if they would consider voting for a Democrat

          also there is tons of anecdotal evidence of this - many conservative TV pundits praise Obama (Tucker Carlson being one, Elizabeth Hasselback being another), and  as many DKos diaries have attested, older republican voters seem to like Obama. (Lots of "my mom/dad/aunt/grandpa likes Obama diaries.)

          Conservatives like his fresh face and his optimism. Reagan-esque, they call it.

          •  they are just pretending (0+ / 0-)

            they would vote for a black guy.  Leave them alone in the polling booth and it's a whole other story.

            •  Not always. (0+ / 0-)

              My 83 year old mother likes Obama.  She is a Democrat and reality based.  I think with many of her generation,  talk of healing the partisan divide is quite powerful,  as it fits quite well with a sincere Christianity.  

              But when I played Gore's "Restoring the Rule of Law" speech she said,  "I haven't heard anyone talk like that!"

              I bet there are many people who have never heard Gore talk like that.  I even run into people who know nothing of Daily Kos,  one way or the other.

              Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world.

              by kafkananda on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 05:37:11 PM PDT

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        •  I was encouraged by (3+ / 0-)

          a former member of Congress (Republican) to vote for Obama in the Dem primaries.

          And this guy is pretty stand up and didn't say so because he thought Obama was easiest to beat or anything. He truly thought Obama was A+++.

          Then, the guy began to talk about how Bush screwed up on foreign policy.  

          It was kind of a weird moment, because the Obama endorsement was kind of snuck in there as an aside.

          You'll probably be able to figure out who the Republican is... he lost in 2006... and has been better on Iraq policy (aside from voting for GOP leadership) than some Democrats. You can email me with your guess, but I won't say who it is in a public forum.

          If we're talking crossover numbers, there's some polling and anecdotal evidence that show Obama would get a number of crossover GOP votes. HRC might get some suburban GOP women to vote for her, but those are voters we've begun winning in recent years anyway.  Edwards is kind of hard to tell, because he's got a more moderate image (leftover from 04) nationally than his current platform... how it would hold up in a GE is kind of up in the air... but he'd probably do better with GOP voters than HRC. Obama has the most crossover appeal right now among the top three Dems but whether it holds up is another question.

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          by Newsie8200 on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 01:06:39 PM PDT

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          •  well said (1+ / 0-)
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          •  I was thinking in the context (2+ / 0-)
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            of a Gore/x ticket, and which running mate would appeal most to the other side. It seems that the speculation, polls, studies, gut feelings referred to elsewhere in this thread are comparing only the big three - Clinton, Obama and Edwards. I wasn't confining my pondering to them. I still think that of all the candidates running, Richardson would pull more conservatives than Obama, and there are probably other possible picks outside of current candidates who would cross over more effectively too.

            But, what do I know...

            I emailed my guesses.

            Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

            by bumblebums on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 01:58:01 PM PDT

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            •  Oh well, running mate is another story. (0+ / 0-)

              I can't see any of the current top three as good fits for the VP slot... I just don't.  

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              by Newsie8200 on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 08:06:02 PM PDT

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            •  My context is... (0+ / 0-)

              if Gore is in the race, he will almost certainly win with whoever as VP (though I can't see him picking Hillary).  This "crossover" vote smells like "triangulating" to me.

              Get someone who won't legitimize Fox News; get someone who won't reinforce right-wing frames on terrorism; get someone who will be FORCEFUL in what they say about Iraq; get someone who will go against the DLC and the Beltway types.  Get someone who speaks the economic populist message Jim Webb spoke about.  Let the cowardly GOP call it "class warfare" if they want; they say it because it speaks to the common American, and they're pissing in their boots because they KNOW it works.

              Oh, and above all, get someone who understands what Gore is saying about the environment, and will not do what Gore called a "horrible mistake" in the coal-to-liquid bill.  I've talked to other environmentalists and scientists too about it; they also confirm that this bill is INSANITY.  Get someone who will run a carbon-neutral campaign.

              And right now, only one announced candidate is doing all this.  And sadly, it ain't Obama.

    •  not really (0+ / 0-)

      Richardson and Sebelius are both popular governors from states we do not generally win.  They make more sense than Obama since there is no way we lose IL anyway.

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