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  •  Actually the FBI (4+ / 0-)
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    can investigate their crimes... at least in Iraq. But how does that work? Do you send F.B.I. agents to Iraq to interview witnesses? Even if you can find them without getting killed what do you do next? Subpoena them and fly them back to the U.S for a trial?

    Of course none of this works so they literally get away with murder.

    But how can you recruit thugs if they know they can be held responsible for their actions?

    This is the secret army in Iraq, and their numbers are close to 100,000.

    "A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy" Theodore Roosevelt

    by se portland on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 09:47:26 AM PDT

    •  I was not aware of this. (1+ / 0-)
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      How can the FBI be sent to investigate crimes committed on foreign soil? Aren't the Iraqi and Afghani governments responsible?

      The FBI operates under whose authority? If I commit a crime in England, France, or Germany, does the FBI investigate my actions?

      •  I do not think this has changed (1+ / 0-)
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        Ohmy News

        Attorney General John Ashcroft noted that the U.S. courts do have jurisdiction over the contractors. Hopefully, Attorney General Ashcroft will vehemently go after these contractors. The situation, however, doesn't look very promising. Ashcroft noted that he will not send any or a significant number of FBI agents to Iraq. He stated that he will wait until a Pentagon investigation is concluded.

        Furthermore, to prosecute these contractors is an uphill battle if Ashcroft is less than vehement in pursuing the matter. We must remember if these cases are tried in America the victims would need to appear in U.S. court to testify. Additionally, the prosecution would need to convince a jury of all Americans to convict an American that abused an Iraqi. In many cases the Iraqi may have been a Saddam Hussein loyalist.

        Or this

        The Blackwater employee suspected in the December killing was a technician hired to maintain and repair Blackwater's weaponry and armaments, according to people familiar with the matter.

        Current and former colleagues of the contractor say he had been drinking heavily in the hours before his fatal run-in with Mr. al-Saraay, and that FBI agents probing the shooting ran blood tests to see if he was legally drunk at the time of the shooting. The results of those blood tests are unknown, and the FBI declined to comment.

        "A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy" Theodore Roosevelt

        by se portland on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 10:08:49 AM PDT

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        •  Have we enlarged the FBI to expand hiring (1+ / 0-)
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          so we can still have a safe homeland and international Federal Bureau of Investigation?  

          And, the iFBI operates under whose law?

          <div style="color: #a00000;"> Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshal

          by bronte17 on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 10:28:24 AM PDT

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    •  That's an excellent point and gets to the crux of (2+ / 0-)
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      the problem.

      Ther ARE laws on the books covering contractors in Iraq. The Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act (MEJA) and the PATRIOT Act both give the legal authority to investigate, charge and prosecute offenders.

      The PROBLEM is that the Bush Administration has NOT enforced those laws.

      I mean, in the end this is what we have to keep in mind... these companies are not the bad guys - they aren't the good guys either - they are what ourr government uses them for and that has to be understood because at the end of the day it has nothing to with Blackwater or Titan or MPRI or whomever - it has to do with the client (the USG) and how they effect oversight, procurement methods and intent because that is who's orders and consent these contractors operate under.

      "We now know many things.... most of which, we already knew." - dash888

      by Tirge Caps on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 10:37:39 AM PDT

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