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  •  Powell... (0+ / 0-)

    ...has been responsible for the throwing out of many, many, babies; with or without the bathwater...

    •  The point is that if you decide you will never (3+ / 0-)
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      Elise, Albatross, terrapin station84

      talk to anyone with blood on their hands, you will not find out what they know, why they made the choices they did, or how they think.

      I would bet that knowing those things might prevent us from making costly or even fatal mistakes in the future.

      Those are perhaps the most important people to talk to, in fact.  

      Haven't we learned plently from folks like McNamara?  Shouldn't we talk to them?  Why should we close ourselves off from their knowledge?  What is that line about learning from history or being doomed to repeat it?

      I want a President who doesn't willfully blind himself or herself to any information that might matter or make us a better nation.  

      If your point is you can't trust Obama's judgment to take what he says in light of the harm that's resulted, then say so.  And back it up.

      If we want hope to survive in this world today, then every day we've got to teach on, teach on. - Ysaye Maria Barnwell

      by Femlaw on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 09:49:17 PM PDT

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      •  This is a *perception* thing... (0+ / 0-)

        By meeting with Powell, Obama sends the signal that he thinks Powell is a great guy, a moral guy, an ethical guy. His lies at the UN? No big deal at all!

        Whether Obama really believes this is totally irrelevant. The perception is what matters.

        •  Well, I think preventing another war (3+ / 0-)
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          is worth more than a few "perception" problems.

          Whether Colin Powell's reputation gets further trashed or gets slightly rehabilitated isn't exactly my highest priority right now.  Frankly, he's probably going to get off lightly in the historical record for reasons that have nothing to do with whether he talks to Obama or anybody else.

          Oh, by the way, when Obama, Edwards or Clinton wins the Presidency, by all means, don't have them talk to anyone in the current Administration, ever.  No meeting with Bush or Cheney or Rice, like usually happens in a political transition.  Nope.  Treat them like they treated Richard Clarke.  Because that turned out really well.  Good thing they focused on that "perception" thing.

          If we want hope to survive in this world today, then every day we've got to teach on, teach on. - Ysaye Maria Barnwell

          by Femlaw on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 10:01:12 PM PDT

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    •  And Edwards? (2+ / 0-)
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      He co-sponsored the Iraq resolution with Lieberman, convinced other Dems to vote for it, went on TV and promoted it to Americans, said we should go in without the UN - all without having done the hard work of reading the classified intel report that was available to him -

      How many babies do you figure he threw out?  How much Iraqi blood is on his hands?  

    •  One has to wonder... (2+ / 0-)
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      Femlaw, terrapin station84

      If you actually watched the full interview with Powell, 90% of which was on Iraq.  Very enlightening.

    •  Has it entered your brain (0+ / 0-)

      just a little bit, that as a black man running for president with a seriouse chance of winning, Obama might want to discuss his situation with a black man who was nearly in the same position, and who was also the first black chairmen of the joint chiefs and the first black Secretary of Sate?

      I wouldn't go so far as to say your criticism of Obama’s interaction with Powell is racist, but it certainly tells me all I need to know about you’re awareness of racial issues.

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