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  •  Another radical religious text (33+ / 0-)

    I wonder what kind of texts they have in mind?  Perhaps ones that endorse female slavery...

    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go free as male slaves do.
    Exodus 21:7

    Or ones that condemn to death those who do not observe the Sabbath...

    On six days work may be done, but the seventh day shall be sacred to you as the sabbath of complete rest to the LORD. Anyone who does work on that day shall be put to death.
    Exodus 35:2

    Or maybe only the ones that delineate which foods you can eat...

    ...and the pig, which does indeed have hoofs and is cloven-footed, but does not chew the cud and is therefore unclean for you.
    Leviticus 11:7

    Their flesh you shall not eat, and their dead bodies you shall not touch; they are unclean for you.
    Leviticus 11:8

    If they're going to get rid of all the "extreme" religious texts, they'd better make sure they get them ALL.

    "We must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom." - Kodos

    by Jon Stafford on Sun Jun 10, 2007 at 09:27:15 PM PDT

    •  Don't forget stoning people, there's (14+ / 0-)

      always a whole weekend of fun in that.  /snark

      Or was that being stoned . .. .

    •  Etc. (5+ / 0-)

      Then there's the slaughter of children for mocking a bald guy.

      From there Elisha went up to Bethel.  While he was on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him.  "Go up, baldhead," they shouted, "Go up, baldhead!"

      The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord.  Then two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the children to pieces.

      (Why she-bears?)

      I understand there's also something in there about prostituting your own daughters, but I don't remember where it is.

      But then,  I hear the Quran is even worse.  Maybe reading material should be restricted to fairy tales.  Oh, wait.  Grimm.

      •  Lot! Lot offered his daughters to the mob (0+ / 0-)

        so that they'd leave the angels alone. Lot is such a good guy. But my favourite of God's greatest hits is when he told Abraham to kill his son. That was awesome.

        "...and it's here the lonely say that the heart has got to open in a fundamental way." --Leonard Cohen, "Democracy"

        by maralenenok on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 08:34:31 AM PDT

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        •  You do realize, don't you, that God in that ... (0+ / 0-)

          story didn't actually want Abraham to kill his son?  When Abraham demonstrated that he was ready to do it, God told him not to.

          The traditional interpretation was that Abraham passed the test by proving his loyalty, but there is another interpretation, actually supported by a lot of things in the text itself, that Abraham FAILED the test by not refusing to do such an evil thing and not saying, "I know that God wouldn't really want me to do such an evil thing."  This is actually supported by the fact that after Abraham demonstrated his readiness to carry out the act, he never heard from God again for the rest of his life.

          And no, I don't believe that the story was literally true, but it was written to show an understanding of God's nature, and I think that undrestanding was a lot more complicated and nuanced than fundamentalists would like to believe.

          "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security." -Ben Franklin

          by leevank on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 08:59:16 AM PDT

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          •  Of course I realise that. (0+ / 0-)

            The way I've always learnt it is that God was pleased that Abraham was ready to make such a sacrifice for him, but that was years ago and I doubt we delved very deep into the text, being third-graders and all. The other interpretation is very interesting and makes sense to me, so thanks for that.

            Okay, so does my point about Lot's daughters stand, or did God get pissed off about that, too?

            "...and it's here the lonely say that the heart has got to open in a fundamental way." --Leonard Cohen, "Democracy"

            by maralenenok on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 09:28:44 AM PDT

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            •  Unclear to me, but what IS clear about that ... (0+ / 0-)

              story is that it's not about homosexuality, as generally interpreted by the fundies.  It's about hostility (to the point of gang rape) to  outsiders.  Actually, the Bible has a lot to say about the duty to outsiders in one's society, which all of the good "Christians" such as Tom Tancredo seem to have missed.

              "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security." -Ben Franklin

              by leevank on Mon Jun 11, 2007 at 10:15:19 AM PDT

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