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  •  I'm dubious about single payor (0+ / 0-)

    I don't like the idea that we would all be forced into a healthcare system with no other options.

    What about making Medicare available to anyone who wanted it at a reasonable price.  Either it can be done or it can't.  Why mandate for everyone, give us a choice.  We can buy Medicare or Blue Cross.

    •  william shipley (0+ / 0-)

      Here in Canada we have universal health care for all but we can also buy Blue Cross for the extras. If we so desire. Like eye test, eye glasses, hearing tests, hearing aids, prescriptions, private hospital rooms and so on. We can buy it through our employer if they offer it or privately if not. And the elderly can buy for a very small fee the Blue Cross supplemental. However, not many elderly really need it because here in my province, once you are 65 years old most of the extras are free anyway. Like prescriptions are totally free after 65, when the income is lower and the need for medicines are higher.
      Now even here in my province for the past 3 years ambulance rides to the hospital are totally free.
      We may not have a perfect system but I would not trade it for the US system at all. And I know a little about the system since I did work as a nurse in Florida for several years in the 90's.
      No thanks, I'll take the Canadian system any day!

      "As far as I'm told, Canada actually borders our fine upstanding nation," ...Bush

      by edie on Thu Jun 14, 2007 at 04:52:02 AM PDT

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    •  So Sick people get Medicare, healthy Blue Cross? (0+ / 0-)

      2 problems with your idea:

      1. Because Blue Cross refuses people with preexisting conditions -- or charges them much higher prices -- everyone who is sick will end up with Medicare if we follow your plan.

      Because of that medicare will cost more.  That will drive even more non-sick into BlueCross.  Which will drive down BlueCross's average cost, and drive up medicare's average cost.

      Ultimately, there will be no choice: because of the drastically lower cost, everyone who can be accepted will choose BlueCross, and all the unlucky sick people will end up with Ghetto-care for sick people in the form of Medicare.  

      1. 35-45% of health care costs are due to administrative costs caused by having to juggle claims with many different insurers.  Canada pays half of what we do for care, in large part because they have primarily one payor, not hundreds of payors.  With your system, we keep paying twice as much for our care as the rest of the world does - vs with single-payer we can start paying what care actually should cost, and stopping lining the pockets of insurance executives and billing management companies.
      •  If there is a choice (0+ / 0-)

        then we can see.  The argument that sick people will be stuck with medicare makes no sense if the alternative is that everybody is stuck with medicare.  If you want single payor that single payor is going to have to cover everyone anyway.

        If there really is that much administrative costs without any cost savings as a result then blue cross (or whatever insurnance company) will be more expensive and I won't buy it.

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