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  •  Sorry, the black and the white of it for me (0+ / 0-)

    is that I choose neither. There is already too much of both thank you very much.
    There are plenty of power sources available that do not have toxic effects, except maybe if you are a bat, raptor or fish.

    •  And which of your sources can provide baseload? (1+ / 0-)
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      "Plenty of power sources" you say.  Would you please name some sources that can power trains, factories, hospitals, schools, etc. reliably, 24/7, and don't need backup?  

      Wind and solar operate only operate about 1/3 of the time.  By 2020 they may provide 6% of our energy if the DOE is correct.  So where do we get the other 94%?

      If you refuse fossil-fuel power and nuclear power, and you know that hydroelectric in the US only provides about 5%, how do you propose in the coming decades to generate electricity for the population of the US? I am very eager to know your solution.  

      Since you think in absolute terms, I am guessing you have an absolute solution.  If we are not going to rely on a spectrum of sources of energy generation (nuclear, renewables), then we are going to need your absolute solution.  

      Thank you.

      The IPCC predicts average global temperatures to rise enough by 2050 to put 20-30% of all species at risk for extinction.

      by Plan9 on Sat Jun 23, 2007 at 06:14:51 AM PDT

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    •  solar power toxic wastes (0+ / 0-)

      Do you have any idea how much energy, raw material and toxic chemistry it takes to produce a solar panel or a windmill?  Or did you though until now that solar panels and windmills grow like trees in forest somewhere? You certainly need to do your homework.

      Besides, did you know that wind only blows sometimes? Have you seen clouds? These sources are chaotic by nature. If you deploy them, you absolutely must back them up woith some spinning reserver - typically a fossil fuel burner.

      Therefore, the "solar" alternative is from 60-90% depending on location and mix a bad old fossil 'alternative', with all its problems from toxic pollution to climate change.

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