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  •  Our vast nuclear conspiracy (0+ / 0-)

    Since you have noticed that people who read NNadir's diaries are also concerned about catastrophic global warming and the daily death toll from fossil fuel combustion and the wars caused by fossil-fuel demand, I am going to let you in on a little secret.

    Many environmentalists, like James "Gaia" Lovelock and like the head of Environmental Defense have recognized that nuclear power, as the single biggest displacer of greenhouse gases on the planet, has got to be expanded.  A large-scale technology with the best safety record provides clean energy worldwide and has a small environmental footprint and an extremely small volume of waste that is always shielded and monitored and can be recycled many, many times.

    So there are not just the people who agree with NNadir on this diary, there are thousands of us pro-nuclear-power enviros out there.  You can go to this top-secret site to find out more.

    And you might want to take a look at Brookhaven National Lab's analysis about the risks that would accompany ramping photovoltaics up to a greater scale.

    If you think wind and solar are not being fostered by megacorporations but rather by friendly guys in Birkenstocks in Woodstock and Berkeley, think again.  All the big energy corporations are at the trough slurping up those subsidies and tax breaks.

    The IPCC predicts average global temperatures to rise enough by 2050 to put 20-30% of all species at risk for extinction.

    by Plan9 on Sat Jun 23, 2007 at 06:44:57 AM PDT

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    •  i notice (0+ / 0-)

      that their only solution is nukes. all roads lead to nukes. people genuinely worried about global warming talk about it, the politics of it, the various possible solutions for it. nadir and hi handful of kool-aid friends talk about nukes. and nukes. and nukes. yes, they're to be taken seriously. you participate in daily kos, and have for a long time. they don't. except to talk about nukes. and more nukes.

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      by Laurence Lewis on Sat Jun 23, 2007 at 08:52:07 AM PDT

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      •  But your solution seems to be (0+ / 0-)

        to continue burning fossil fuels to obtain baseload electricity in the hope that somehow the waste gets sequestered.  Am I correct?  You have quoted NRDC and that seems to be their answer to the gap left if you eliminate nuclear power and hope renewables will somehow increase to supply a huge proportion.

        NNadir does write about other topics, BTW.  And in fact those of us who are interested in what he has to say about nuclear power are treated to his digressions on his decidedly Democratic leanings, interest in certain heroic and maligned figures (Lise Meitner, for example; thanks to her discovery, members of my family and friends have been successfully treated for cancer).

        And NNadir usually includes alternative energy sources in his vision of the future of electricity production in the US.  You are the one who seems to disparage and exclude, and to support fossil fuel combustion.  In a suspicious person that could raise the question of whether you are a shill for the coal industry and the question of how much the coal industry contributes to NRDC.

        But I am not interested in conspiracies.  I am interested in how best to deal with catastrophic global warming and to clear up entrenched misperceptions that shape the attitudes of well-meaning folks like you, Mr. Turkana.

        The IPCC predicts average global temperatures to rise enough by 2050 to put 20-30% of all species at risk for extinction.

        by Plan9 on Sat Jun 23, 2007 at 10:21:47 AM PDT

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        •  I wouldn't say "leanings" exactly. (1+ / 0-)
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          I have voted in every election in my adult life and I have voted for as long as I can remember straight party line.  

          This may sound as if I am something of an automaton, but I feel justifiably proud of my record nonetheless.

          I am not always thrilled with Democratic candidates - I was hardly bowled over by Michael Dukakis for instance - but I have always been aware of the alternative.   In 1988 I was decidedly unhappy with my party's choice, but I accepted it.

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