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  •  Sorry, BlueState, you lost me with this ... (0+ / 0-)

    "... The Democrats needs [sic] to be careful...If an immigration bill doesnt clear [C]ongress before the next election, then why should hispanics vote for them??...I'd rather stay home and not vote democatic [sic] since they arent interested in passing immigration reform....Why vote for them if [I] know nothing will get done on immigration[?]"

    Um, maybe because a Democratic president with a larger majority in Congress will be more likely to get us out of Iraq, address the issue of global warming and climate change, advance equal rights for same-sex couples, defend a woman's right to choose an abortion, promote fair trade policies that benefit foreign workers in their home countries, etc., etc.

    I mean, really, how seriously can we take you as a political activist if you are so obsessed with this single issue that you are ready to take your ball(ot) and stay home on Election Day just because you don't get your way on this one particular bill? FWIW, I sympathize with your feelings. I simply think Sentido is being more pragmatic to put it like this instead:

    "... that is how compromise works [when] you accept something you don't prefer in order to get support for something you feel is important.

    I would prefer to compromise with the anti-corporate progressives-- and I would even be able to live with some of the protectionist policies that I wouldn't normally accept. ..."

    At the risk of being presumptuous, I think it's a lot easier for most people to find areas to agree on with someone who isn't calling them bigots or racists or xenophobes every time there is a relatively minor disagreement over what tactics we use to accomplish the same goals. I welcome Sentido's comments but, with all due respect, I am not sure I can have a constructive conversation with you.

    Fire away ...

    •  Well (0+ / 0-)

      My number one issue is immigration, so this is very important to me.

      I'm sure it's also the number one issue for many hispanics...Why should Hispanics vote for a party that only wants to pimp them for votes?..Dont get me wrong, the GOP are plainful disrespecful to hispanics, but Liberals are as bad because they dont want this issue off the table because it allows them to point the finger at the GOP and tell hispanics that GOP hates you.

      I've actually heard rumours that Chuck Schumer do not want to pass immigration reform because it would take the issue off the table and they need it on the table to highlights the deep racism inside the republican party...That is as wrong as the bigots that dont want it pass because they hates hispanics.

      •  No question about that, if it is true ... (0+ / 0-)

        ... and it is just as bad as Democrats who would vote against cutting off funding for the war because they think the issue is more important for them to be able to score political points off of it while more people die needlessly. I don't know if that is happening, either, but I share your disgust with politicians who would rather have the issue to run on than to do the right thing.

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