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  •  One track mind (4+ / 0-)

    Do you not think that his decades of service to make the British government better and ward off bankrupt Thatcherism from ever exercising influence again deserve recognition? When he entered the stage his ideas were at their lowest nadir of acceptance and he didn't succumb to the Social Democrat fashion of responsibility and LSE pablum. HE FOUGHT, and now he has been proven correct.

    "We must uphold a familiar commerce together in all meekness, gentleness, patience and liberality."

    by Marshall on Wed Jun 27, 2007 at 07:25:49 AM PDT

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    •  Do YOU not think (4+ / 0-)
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      that participating in the invasion and absolute wreckage of another country, with the result of 650,000 deaths and counting, on behalf of a destructive ideology that seeks nothing so ardently as more wars and more deaths throughout the Middle East, morally outweighs implementing equitable tax policies?

      Marshall, I would say it is you who do not see the big picture. To the extent the transition from Blair to Brown represents a transition away from Blair's friendliness to neoconservatism towards what I'm hearing is Brown's hostility to Cheney and the Iraq project, it's a good thing.

      But I'm not so happy as I would be if the Prime Minister entering office were Sir Menzies Campbell, whose Liberal Democrats have stood against the war, against the occupation and against Blair's steady erosion of civil liberties.

      These are the great issues of our time, and yes until they are resolved they trump just about everything else.

      •  Pfff (2+ / 0-)
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        Ah yes, if only Sir Ming were to enter power then we'd all be saved from folly! Scion of the party that fled as quickly and ignominiously from Thatcher when she challenged battle as its weak little over-educated legs could run. That is exactly who should be entrusted with grave decisions!

        And lest you think the Liberal Democratic party is suited to power now more so than in the 1980s, remember the opportunism of those principle-less hacks who cheer on the rise of the overclass and the superwealthy, who lust after the stifling power of Brussels and Frankfurt and their cosseted reception rooms, and who desire that the government gushingly fund the programs that benefit their own pretty middle class families and cease all involvement with those less fortunate undesirables. They are selfish, deluded little men whom the British electorate has wisely chosen to keep as far from power as possible.

        "We must uphold a familiar commerce together in all meekness, gentleness, patience and liberality."

        by Marshall on Wed Jun 27, 2007 at 08:04:40 AM PDT

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        •  Obviously, you're pretty far in the tank. (0+ / 0-)

          Which you demonstrate by seizing on my passing reference to the Liberal Democrats and blathering about other issues, rather than addressing the central proposition of my argument, that this Labor government is compromised by its (your word) "folly." You don't actually counter this, because you can't.

          Great spin, though. How much is Labour paying you?

          •  Passing reference? (0+ / 0-)

            You fault Labour for the disaster of the war and then say that a solution to current problems would be to invite the Liberal Democrats to govern. The fact that you see a Lib Dem government as the solution means you haven't the faintest idea what the problem is.

            That party is a paragon of irresponsibility, suitable only to appearances on Newsnight, nothing more.

            And to devote a brief time to your initial point: the Labour Party was never as wound up in Neocon ideology as you accuse, and if anything Brown less so than Blair. Now you could say Labour government is as much at fault because its policy was identical in effect if not intent, but I do not buy that argument. It is not Labour policy to increase death an destruction for their own sake as much as among Republicans.

            And no, I am not in Labour's employ--some people hold principles independent of their source of funding, but I suppose that notion is wholly foreign to you.

            "We must uphold a familiar commerce together in all meekness, gentleness, patience and liberality."

            by Marshall on Wed Jun 27, 2007 at 01:40:26 PM PDT

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    •  How did Brown fight? (2+ / 0-)
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      He spent the first two or three years of his term as Chancellor implementing the Conservative Party's economic plans - unchanged.  He gave decisions on interest rates to the Bank of England.  He took  funds from pensions and utilities to fund youth employment schemes - but youth unemplyment has not fallen. He told the world he was going to sell the majority of Brtain's gold reserves - causing a price slump and the sale to take place at the bottom of the market.  He has borrowed massively - and allowed the British people to do likewise - at rates of 4%.   Rates will now hit 6% before year end and many of those borrowers are going to be in a world of pain meeting their repayments.  The housing market has raced along on all this credit - to the point where most manual workers need a mortgage of eight or ten times their salary to allow them to get on the property ladder.  So they can't.

      Let's temper praise for Mr Brown please.  Plus of course he funded an illegal war - without a single questioning whimper.

      The road to truth is long, and lined the entire way with annoying bastards.

      by Last Best Chance on Wed Jun 27, 2007 at 08:13:18 AM PDT

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      •  Look hard enough and you will find (1+ / 0-)
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        David Boyle

        Congratulations! You have looked hard and found an example of Gordon Brown screwing up in office. I guess that Gold sale was not so well timed.

        Of course, you ignore the massive re-making of the public services that decades of Tory government rendered barren. Was that re-founding of the public commitment a part of the Conservative party's economic plans? I think not. I seem to remember a party that faddishly committed to an insane Frankfurt-worshiping economic policy and actually listened to the ranting of table-pounding German corporatocrats. And I remember George Soros, seeing folly, netting several billion as he showed Conservative party economic policy to be the sham that it was.

        Have you seen that replayed under Gordon Brown? I have seen an economy that picked itself up, roared on for a few more years of the 1990s, and then KEPT ON GOING, all with far more equitable distributions than are fashionable in the current climate on this side of the ocean.

        "We must uphold a familiar commerce together in all meekness, gentleness, patience and liberality."

        by Marshall on Wed Jun 27, 2007 at 08:23:35 AM PDT

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        •  "an insane Frankfurt-worshiping economic policy " (1+ / 0-)
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          which was worshipped as enthusiastically by Brown and Blair.  

          How selective you are in your hype for Gord 'Elpus.

          The road to truth is long, and lined the entire way with annoying bastards.

          by Last Best Chance on Wed Jun 27, 2007 at 08:26:49 AM PDT

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          •  Ignorance is like a delicate flower (1+ / 0-)
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            David Boyle

            You're right!! I forgot about how Brown pegged the pound to the Euro and gave the ECB power over British monetary policy. I forgot that Britain went ahead and adopted the Euro wholesale. And I neglected to bring up the steady erosion of autonomous British macroeconomic policy.

            Oh wait. None of those things happened, not since old Norman Lamont was chancellor.

            "We must uphold a familiar commerce together in all meekness, gentleness, patience and liberality."

            by Marshall on Wed Jun 27, 2007 at 08:31:09 AM PDT

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