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  •  "Young people aren't leading" isn't offensive? (0+ / 0-)

    Fact is, young people of the 60s and 70s didn't lead all that well to begin with. If they had, we might not be in this mess in the first place. You're looking at the past with rose-tinted glasses: now, as then, the true radicals and progressives were but a small portion of the overall population.

    But that's not even the point, when you get right down to it. It's not that young people in the 60s and 70s were better, or worse, or entirely the same as young people from any other generation (at leadership or anything else). It's that you attract more flies with honey than with vinegar. Whining about how young people aren't leading, or how they don't take their mortality seriously (and, point-of-order, you did do just that) isn't going to persuade them of anything. It's the rhetorical equivalent of labeling anyone who doesn't support the war in Iraq as un-American, or anyone who didn't support escalation as failing to support our troops. Not only is it, in the absolutely best case scenario, overly simplified (more likely, outright wrong), but it doesn't work to change anyone's mind, either.

    •  Honey instead of vinegar equates to keeping our (2+ / 0-)
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      powder dry.  How is that working?

      I am not whining nor complaining I am looking at what I see happening.  

      Not taking their mortality seriously is a part of being young.  There have been many studies about the young not even really getting dead is dead.  It is young people who drag in the streets and rumble--that is a fact.

      Twenty-six is pretty old to me anyway for being so touchy.  What you know about the 60s and 70s you got from the MSM, I lived it up close and personal.  I am aware of the good the bad and the ugly.

      After watching SICKO I have been asking myself why did the 60s and 70s have the only real get in the streets and stamp your feet hell no???

      Because for the first time you had a very large part of the population unemployed.  And unlike today,  students then were not facing mountains of debt as students.  The underlying cause of American stress and cruelty to one another is DISCIPLINE BY DEBT.

      We took to the streets because we could and today we do not because we fear we can't.  

      The purpose of Kos to dialogue.  I am not blaming for my observations and they are mine and I share them for feedback.  Your point of view of whining is a label that is not helpful.  But you have made me write and consider another tact.

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        Young people took to the streets in the 60s and 70s because of the military draft.  Reinstitute the draft now and just watch what happens!

      •  I prefer to think of it... (0+ / 0-)

        As saving our powder for the battles where we need it. The goal, I would have thought, is to convince young people to see the movie, not to criticize those who haven't. If you're going to adopt a combative attitude, you usually have to sacrifice the former for the latter.

        My point (and I apologize for not making this clearer) wasn't that the youth of the 60s were awful, nor that the youth of today are saints. My point is that it's a question of perspective, which will be different for me, as a twenty-six year old (even a twenty-six year old with a MA in mid-twentieth century US cultural history), than it is for someone who experienced the 60s and the 70s first hand, or even from someone entering college for the first time in 2007.

        But it still strikes me as disingenuous to suggest that young people, as a whole, "are not concerned with health," or that they are too busy waiting in line for their iPhones to care about health issues. It's an oversimplification and a straw man argument (why would the two be mutually exclusive?). And that's why it's insulting, regardless of whether or not that was your intention.

        Not that you don't have a point, mind you, particularly regarding debt. Like you, my purpose isn't to blame anyone, merely to engage. My apologies for coming off too strong or too stridently.

    •  Damn kids, with their iPhones and Wiis! (0+ / 0-)

      In my day, we put flowers in gun barrels and smoked weed and twirled around all night!  

      We didn't have these blogadoohickeys, we had poorly mimeographed underground newspapers!  And we liked them!

      9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

      by varro on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:57:57 PM PDT

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