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  •  we'll see won't we. (9+ / 0-)

    If the USA refuses to prosecute will Leahy and the Dem leadership be ready to take the next step? I favor Major Danby's approach of impeachment on "procedural" grounds.
    But, I must admit I no longer can take Democratic leaders at their word. Tough talk is fine, but talk is cheap.
    I'll get excited when I see action, until then I hold my applause, and wait.

    •  and how long would it take (3+ / 0-)
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      HarveyMilk, labwitchy, IamLorax

      to get to "procedural grounds" for impeachment, to the point where something substantive could actually come of it?

      Please. If they want to ADD "contempt of Congress" to the long list of impeachable offenses they already have documented, I'm all for that. But they need not try to sell this particular notion to me as the only alternative they've got. Because I'm not buying it.

      Talk is cheap; amen to that, old man!

      "Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees"--Peter Garrett, Midnight Oil

      by o the umanity on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 09:02:37 AM PDT

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      •  not long (2+ / 0-)
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        tonyfv, MyBrainWorks

        One of the points Major Danby made in his post was that Congress does not have to wait for the court proceedings to play out. They might allow some small amount of time for the admin. to stonewall a little more and help make their case, but they should insist on compliance and if they don't get it they should impeach.
        I am strongly in favor of impeachment on any of a number of grounds, but I agree with MD that defiance of the subpeopnas is an opportunity to make a quick, clear case, and that it in no way precludes further action on more serious charges.

        •  What Danby (1+ / 0-)
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          Norm DePlume

          suggests isn't going to happen so I wish people would quit relying on solutions that have no basis in reality. In DC there is no such thing as "procedural impeachment" and never has been.

          Do you really think something that does not exist is going to be implemented?

          "You Have The Power!" - Howard Dean

          by talex on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 09:57:47 AM PDT

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          •  It's Already (1+ / 0-)
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            been implemented in several parallel universes and ... unsurprisingly ... it succeeded.  Bush, Cheney, Gonzo, et al, were all deposed and kicked out of office.  After that the Dems went on to win in a landslide in 2008.  The world returned to normal and everyone lived happily thereafter.

            /snark

            sorry ... couldn't resist.

            Anyway, you get the top Reality-Based Comment Of The Day in my book.

          •  wow (0+ / 0-)

            it's amazing to me how some of my neighbors here at kos knows exactly what is or is not going to happen before the fact.

            Astonishing, talex! If I ply you with coffee, will you tell us all more? Sounds like you have a truly inside track...

            "Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees"--Peter Garrett, Midnight Oil

            by o the umanity on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 04:27:32 AM PDT

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        •  not relying on it (1+ / 0-)
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          Quite frankly what I expect Congress to do is sit around with their fingers up their collective ass and run out the clock.
          I was merely responding to a question posed in the comment.
          What Danby proposes is not some special form of impechment called "procedural impeachment" it is regular old garden variety impeachment but with the charges being limited to the refusal to comply with a subpeona. I think that has as good a chance of being accepted by our so called opposition party in Congress as any without really giving anything up and therefore I support it, but as for expecting it or relying upon it, I don't.

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