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  •  There MUST be a timeline in 2008 defense bill (12+ / 0-)

    No capitulation this time, Senator Reid.

    "If you've read me...then you know what to expect. If not, it's really simple: I say what I mean and mean what I say."

    RIP, Steve Gilliard

    by PsiFighter37 on Sat Jul 07, 2007 at 06:05:39 PM PDT

    •  ...or something else. (1+ / 0-)
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      What other ideas are being floated around? If W rejects 'timelines' etc., what can the congress do with solid D and smattering of Rs?

      Or...is it better to push and veto, push and veto, push and veto until enough R's come aboard to override the veto?

      I am conflicted, personally. I want the timeline, but more than that I want this war to end as quickly as possible. Reid must be getting Maalox by the carton.

      I'm just a simple hyperchicken from a backwoods asteroid. Relentless!

      by ablington on Sat Jul 07, 2007 at 06:09:37 PM PDT

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    •  Senator Harry Reid is a Hero (1+ / 0-)
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      Getting our troops out of Iraq as soon as possible is even more important than impeachment right now.  Afterall, many lives are at stake.

      Peace is a family value.

      by Thomas Twinnings on Sat Jul 07, 2007 at 07:16:24 PM PDT

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    •  Not just a timeline (2+ / 0-)
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      but strict troop deployment standards requiring ALL of the following:

      • No tours of duty for more than 12 months, and at the end of the tour, there must be at least a 12 month at-home time before the same troops can be deployed again.
      • An withdrawal of all stop-loss orders by the Pentagon
      • No sending in non-combat GI's into the front lines.
      • No cost-plus contracts, and all existing contracts must be renegotiated.
      • No profit making by any individual or corporation from a function of war.

      "The Power to change this party, and the power to change this country is in your hands, not mine." - Gov. Howard Dean, MD

      by deaniac83 on Sat Jul 07, 2007 at 07:19:50 PM PDT

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    •  A Timeline (1+ / 0-)
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      Will be vetoed!!!

      So if that is what you want you get nothing! You know that don't you?

      So it is better that we make progress in some other way that benefits the troops while at the same time dragging more Repubs in our direction so that eventually we can pass a veto proof timeline.

      Be sensible.

      "You Have The Power!" - Howard Dean

      by talex on Sat Jul 07, 2007 at 07:23:47 PM PDT

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    •  Did You Read the Article? (0+ / 0-)

      Look, there may be Senate Dems to blame for the second round of the supplemental being so weak, but I'm unclear how you can include Reid in that group.  The fact is, the Senate leaders have a really hard job, because there's really no caucus operation like in the House, and as the article lays out, he's screwed from doing much of anything until he can get Republicans because of the need for 60 votes (made even worse by Johnson's absence during his recovery).  

      The Speaker has to mostly rule through consensus building, but that position still affords the holder some ability to mete out retribution against members of the caucus who run astray.  Not as much the case with the Senate leader, which is why the fundies got pissed with Frist, and before him Lott, and before him Dole, because each of them had to deal with the other party, and they couldn't knock heads the way you can in the House.

      I hope our partisans will be more sophisticated than the Repubs' base was about the opportunities and the constraints faced by the majority leadership in the Senate, especially with a handful of Dems too unwilling to confront the president and a sliver-thin majority when you really require 60 votes for almost anything controversial.

      The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

      by Dana Houle on Sat Jul 07, 2007 at 08:13:00 PM PDT

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      •  My main problem... (1+ / 0-)
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        There was a jump from a timeline to nothing at all. They could've at least put forth a couple more bills, forced Bush to veto them, before giving up outright.

        "If you've read me...then you know what to expect. If not, it's really simple: I say what I mean and mean what I say."

        RIP, Steve Gilliard

        by PsiFighter37 on Sat Jul 07, 2007 at 08:20:58 PM PDT

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        •  I Don't Disagree (0+ / 0-)

          I'm just saying that I don't thing the problem was with Reid, I think the problems were:

          1. Some Dem Senators too unwilling to be confrontational
          1. Failure of all but two Republicans to join Dems
          1. Structural inability of Reid to beat heads to change either of (1) or (2).

          The problem with the Democrats' inability (and apparently unwillingness) to be tougher with Bush after he vetoed the supplemental wasn't in the House, it was in the Senate, and Reid was limited in what he could do on the supplemental, because that bill had to pass.  At least now he's taking advantage of what he can control--the floor schedule--to put lots more pressure on the Repubs (and timid Democrats) to be firm with the President, and unlike the supplemental, these aren't measures where one has to compromise because it absolutely has to pass.  Thus, whether they pass or fail, the increase the pressure on those unwilling to pressure Bush on a withdrawal from Iraq.

          The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

          by Dana Houle on Sat Jul 07, 2007 at 08:32:14 PM PDT

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