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  •  Vote Down S.1545 "Salazar Distraction" (10+ / 0-)

    ...aka the ."Stay In Iraq Forever Bill".

    It's the figleaf that calls for leaving Iraq ONLY IF impossible conditions are met, and it's the figleaf behind which the "maverick Republicans" are hiding.

    •  Yes (9+ / 0-)

      All this talk in the MSM the last day or so ("Another Republican Abandons Bush on Iraq") makes a lovely looking headline, but the truth is far, far different.

      They aren't abandoning Bush at all - they're simply looking for a "different" way to stay in Iraq forever.

      •  Right (8+ / 0-)

        They aren't abandoning Bush at all - they're simply looking for a "different" way to stay in Iraq forever.

        Exactly.  That S 1545 bill is dressed up as something that enacts the Hamilton Baker commission report.  But it sets no deadlines and takes all of the many areas where that commission found a lot of changes are needed and in effect makes it our national policy to accomplish those things before there is a drawdown of troops.

        That bill is not a proper starting point for finding a bipartisan way out of Iraq no mater how many Republicans sign on to it.

        •  Yeah Fred but the good news is (1+ / 0-)
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          that they are moving! and they are moving in our direction. That's progress and if we keep up the pressure on the moderates they will move even further in our direction.

          "You Have The Power!" - Howard Dean

          by talex on Sat Jul 07, 2007 at 07:45:01 PM PDT

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          •  Question regarding Apologist Theory (1+ / 0-)
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            What good does it do to support a process that cannot work?

            Let me just spew out a few names from Americans Against Escalation in Iraq in a FP Diary just before this one:

            Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine
            Norm Coleman of Minnesota
            John Sununu of New Hampshire
            George Voinovich of Ohio
            Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania
            John Warner of Virginia
            Mitch McConnell of Kentucky
            Chuck Grassley of Iowa
            Pete Domenici of New Mexico

            Question 1: Assuming all these Senators somehow moderate far enough to the middle to ACTUALLY vote with us, exactly where will the other 8 votes come from to override a presidential veto?

            Question 2: How sensible is it to waste time on this if we cannot get the votes to override? Would it not be better for our guys in Iraq to defund and force the issue since we cannot win by persuasion?

            Discussion: I realize that the argument against defunding is that Bush will keep the troops there despite the lack of funds. You may, or may not, be correct here but the point is irrelevant if congress provides funding targeted specifically to withdrawal only. There is no reason that congress couldn't pass a bill that allows the military to access such targeted funds. It seems to me that such a bill has a better chance of passing than a vote to override a veto. If Bush were to veto such a bill, I find it quite hard to believe that Republicans in the Senate would leave the troops without funds to get out when they could vote to override such a veto and provide money to get out. If we're asking them at some point to override a veto, isn't it more likely they'd override a veto of funds to withdraw than they would to override a veto of withdrawal timelines?

            My conclusion: Any further talk of getting Republicans to moderate is just pablum designed to keep the Democratic masses off the back of Congressional Democrats. I don't believe the "we're making progress" argument will work, apologists talking points notwithstanding.

            Being liberal is a social philosophy not a political one.

            by DKinUT on Sun Jul 08, 2007 at 04:43:27 AM PDT

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    •  I Read the other day (0+ / 0-)

      that there is not even a guarantee that it will be brought up for a vote.

      My strategy is to get those moderates that have decided to stake out a middle ground - i.e. they think things are going badly and we need a new course - and pull them further to the Left. They re already moving so keep them coming!

      "You Have The Power!" - Howard Dean

      by talex on Sat Jul 07, 2007 at 07:41:49 PM PDT

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