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  •  Is rail less expensive than bus lines? (0+ / 0-)

    I don't think so, especially if you break it down as cost per passenger-mile and include all the debt service a city or state ends up paying on a big capital project, the value of public property that ends up being used for rail, etc.
    The last extension of my city's LRT (San Diego Trolley) cost 87,000,000.00 per mile to build. I don't think that includes a lot of the debt service or value of real estate the city already owned.

    Quick! Man the Blogs!

    by HiBob on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 09:08:56 AM PDT

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    •  And that's just the thing. (0+ / 0-)

      Sooner or later, those transit bonds pay off. Portland is still using the original Bombardier railcars which came with the initial LRT network in 1986. I'm pretty sure Tri-Met doesn't have any more mid-80's buses left in the fleet.

      You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye Who cheer when soldier lads march by, Sneak home and pray you'll never know The hell where youth and laughter go.

      by Oregon guy on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 09:31:17 AM PDT

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      •  which is just the thing? (0+ / 0-)

        for capital costs, the stuff  bonds pay for, a bus might cost 1/3 as much as a rail car. It only needs to last 1/4 as long as a rail car to compete on capital costs, since you don't have to pay for its replacement until you need it. There's also the cost of land acquisition and construction for trains, which for buses would be put into rolling stock.

        Have you found any good comparisons that break down the total costs for bus vs LRT? I'm having troubles finding ones that include the ALL of the initial capital costs, operating costs and at least some discussion of debt service.

        Quick! Man the Blogs!

        by HiBob on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 10:52:20 AM PDT

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