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  •  The BIG QUESTION, why do Muslims have to (4+ / 0-)

    live under Islamic law? Why not argue for progressive secularization of Islamic majority countries, and examine/cite how that could be accomplished. That would be a topic truly worthy of a DKos audience.

    "No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government. Always hopeful yet discontent, he knows changes aren't permanent. But change is." -Neil Peart

    by Boisepoet on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 12:23:54 PM PDT

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      how to give the islamic world individual liberty that is a topic worthy of dkos.  not some shill job on the possible dressing up of brutal sharia law.

    •  I agree it is a great topic for DKos Front Page.. (0+ / 0-)

      But who would host the question? I receive a lot of resistance here. Would you want Muslims to speak freely or do you want to gather ideas about Muslims amongst yourselves?

      -- Hakim Abdullah | Chief Editor

      by Hakim Abdullah on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 12:40:11 PM PDT

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      •  Then you are saying you are opposed (2+ / 0-)
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        to the question I proposed, and that, in speaking freely, you are stating that Muslims can only live under Islamic law?

        The resistence you are receiving is that you are proposing that people be governed under religious law. Religion does not have a very good track record in the realm of human rights or respecting the individual that is outside the mould of "the creator"'s criteria.  

        "No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government. Always hopeful yet discontent, he knows changes aren't permanent. But change is." -Neil Peart

        by Boisepoet on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 12:54:31 PM PDT

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        •  Opposed to what? (0+ / 0-)

          If you mean a topic on DKos, "why Muslims need Islamic Law" or something to that effect no, in fact I wish there would be more discussion on Islam, Muslims, the ME and other related topics on DKoz, then I wouldn't have to work so hard to inform as well as make a point.

          The resistence you are receiving is that you are proposing that people be governed under religious law.

          The resistance is because I am discussing a very controversial topic... Islam in controversial right now. This is my everyday life, I have agreed 100% with someone in a class room and because I looked like a Muslim she could not accept that my agreement was sincere.

          Besides, no foreign country has the right to oppose what a democratic society wishes for itself... do they?

          -- Hakim Abdullah | Chief Editor

          by Hakim Abdullah on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 01:03:55 PM PDT

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          •  thats not why there's resistance (2+ / 0-)
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            there's resistance because islam is jerry fallwells wet dream redux and taken back 1000 years.  and while a good deal of ppl here don't have the stomach for being unkind towards non-christian religions, some of us feel safe enough in our liberalness to tackle all the illiberal chaffe in the world.

            and every human being deserves individual liberties.  we most certainly should oppose a law that says u should stone gays, whether its democratic or not.  

          •  Why do Muslims need Islamic Law? (2+ / 0-)
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            Are you saying they are incompatible with western political philosophy?
            That they have some peculiar aspect that requires them to live only under Islamic law?

            Do you live in America?
            If so, do you not live under a secular government?
            Are you saying that you do not like living under the secular government of the U.S.?

            That could be construed from this statement:

            by removing secular legal processes which are a type of bid'ah and impermissible

            Will you next argue that Muslims in America need special courts because the secular ones are "bid'ah"

            Please answer my questions above.

            Also:
            No one here is advocating foreign intervention to impose their system on another country, which may be the only thing we agree on.

            "No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government. Always hopeful yet discontent, he knows changes aren't permanent. But change is." -Neil Peart

            by Boisepoet on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 01:21:15 PM PDT

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          •  If... (1+ / 0-)
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            This is my everyday life, I have agreed 100% with someone in a class room and because I looked like a Muslim she could not accept that my agreement was sincere.

            you have been discriminated against, then that is not right.

            But what do you think religion does? It says 'if you do not follow this moral code, you are outside of god', or 'if you are not born a male, you do not have full rights in the eyes of god'. Wouldn't you agree that is discrimination too?

            "No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government. Always hopeful yet discontent, he knows changes aren't permanent. But change is." -Neil Peart

            by Boisepoet on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 02:04:51 PM PDT

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