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  •  When you believe mythology is reality, bad things (3+ / 0-)

    are going to happen. It reminds me of the early 80's when Dungeons & Dragons was really popular (among us geeks, anyway). There were a few teens who took the game too far, got caught up in the make-believe world and made national headlines. Some Christian groups were howling about the evils of the game, and how those who played it were in league with the devil.

    Now I understand why they were so upset. D&D's pretend world of good vs. evil was competition for their own fantasy land.

    "No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government. Always hopeful yet discontent, he knows changes aren't permanent. But change is." -Neil Peart

    by Boisepoet on Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 11:45:48 AM PDT

    •  Reality versus fantasy is hazy.... (2+ / 0-)
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      I remember running into this a few times (I've worked in the gaming industry). 99.99% of gamers are perfectly capable of distinguishing their fantasy world from the real one.

      The problem we ran into with some Christian groups is that they could NOT separate the fantasy world from reality -- could not comprehend that these kids were perfectly aware that they were playing a game, making up stories, or even dressing up and acting them out (as some groups do) in improv-theater style.  As far as the religious groups were concerned, these kids were doing it for real.  It's not so much a competition between mythologies as inability to separate make-believe worlds from this one -- because there are demons in the Bible (and of course, D&D uses Biblical sources for some of its mythology, including demon names, etc.), then they are by definition the SAME demons, and thus real.  

      Some years ago, some college friends I hadn't seen in a while dropped by to visit, and had their little girl with them; she was probably three years old or so.  As it happened, I had gaming books out on the coffee table. The cover of one featured some demonic monster (as some books do).  That cover upset her terribly -- she kept repeating the same lines she must have heard in church, like a protective charm (rather like the 'name and claim' litany) -- until I took the book and put it out of sight.  The poor kid believed in demons, and the book really scared her.  

      It's not unusual for very young children to imagine monsters in the dark -- under the bed, in the back of the closet, etc. But how much more frightening it must be for kids who are assured by adults around them that demons and monsters are REAL... and really ARE out to get them.

      •  And that is the truly scary part (0+ / 0-)

        But how much more frightening it must be for kids who are assured by adults around them that demons and monsters are REAL... and really ARE out to get them.

        That and the whole twisted logic of (insert diety's name here) loving you, being there for you when you need him, and wanting you to spend eternity with him, unless you fornicate, doubt the words written about him, turn away from him, fall in love with someone of the same sex, or don't kill in his name. Talk about mental torture.

        "No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government. Always hopeful yet discontent, he knows changes aren't permanent. But change is." -Neil Peart

        by Boisepoet on Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 02:23:22 PM PDT

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      •  They hate and fear imagination and creativity (0+ / 0-)

        because they require you to think and analyze critically. As for the Mom who founded BADD, I strongly suspect she and those like her attack an outside source and blame it for their kid's mental health problems or suicide because they cannot face the fact that their own beliefs and behavior contributed to it. The BADD founder's kid killed himself with HER loaded gun. He'd been depressed, teacher s and fellow students knew it, they tried to talk with her--but she ignroed the signs that were obvious to others.

        I suspect that D&D has saved a lot of lives. It brigns together the smart, funny, imaginative kids who often end up bullied or isolated. It gives them a peer group. I was a school librarian,a nd I ended up hosting a group of kids in my home playing D&D.  They brought the soda, I provided chips, they cleaned up--and they let me play. These were all brilliant kids who'd been somewhat socially awkward misfits till they found each other. I knew some of them from their jr. high years where I was their librarian.

        The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

        by irishwitch on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:20:40 AM PDT

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        •  I grok that- (2+ / 0-)
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          I got similar crap from my parents when I joined the SCA. My now-ex-husband was trying to find someone too kidnap and 'de-program' me. They can't explain why I found the best friends I've ever had- in the SCA, met and plan to marry a perfectly ordinary (ha!) schoolteacher- in the SCA (and yeah, he's a gamer too), and 18 years later I'm still in and I'm still happy! I haven't gone crazy, ended up in the looney bin, attempted suicide, become a devil-worshipper. Where do they get the idea that something not directly church related must therefore be demonic?

          "It is our choices Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities." -Albus Dumbledore

          by Lainie on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 03:57:01 AM PDT

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          •  Isolation and programming, primarily. (1+ / 0-)
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            The reason that dominionist groups don't want people participating in non-church activities--and in fact have increasingly constructed a "Great Firewall" between them and Outside through the dominionist "parallel economy"--is because if one is exposed to outside source of info it becomes much harder to keep people within the group.

            Coercive groups worldwide (and regardless of claimed religious affiliation) practice isolation of people from outside media to reinforce dominionist programming; it's a fairly widely recognised tactic of abusive groups (and in fact one I fairly well document and will be especially focusing in on in the next few days and weeks).

            •  SCA is a particular issue for them-- (0+ / 0-)

              they think it's a thinly veiled Satanic Church of America or something.  And they are sure all those robes mean we've been sacrificing babies to the devil.  More to the point, back in the late 80s,t here was a nutty broad who went on PTL who was suing the SCA because she said she'd been kept as a sex slave in the king's harem for 7 years.  SInce there are two kings per year (and none ofhtemhave harems, unless they do an Islamic persona, and thent he "harem girls" and concubines are all volunteers, usually belydancers who do it for silliness and hsitorical accuracy), that would have meant that 14 men found her so devastatingly gorgeous as to want to play Collector with her and keep her prisoner.   Since she she was about 220 pounds and plug ugly, I doubt ANY of them would havebeen so overcoem with lust.  Suit was tossed out of court for lack of cause and evidence, but the right-wing Christian morons still bought into it.

              The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

              by irishwitch on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 10:34:19 AM PDT

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