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  •  If all of those faith spewing church going people (12+ / 0-)

    who choose to hate people who are different, had half the Spirit of Christ and compassion that you show, all our problems would be solved.

    "Though the Mills of the Gods grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small."

    by Owllwoman on Thu Jul 19, 2007 at 02:45:54 PM PDT

    •  No Chistian I Know (4+ / 0-)

      follows the teachings of Christ.

      They follow the dictates of their own church officials, none of which follow the teachings of Christ.

      Christ was for the poor, the powerless, the unfortunate...the enemies of today's religious leaders...

      Just sayin'...

      •  Just sayin' (8+ / 0-)

        you need to meet some more people.  I don't need my leaders to think for me, but I was really proud to see the video posted last night included one of them speaking out against the injustice that is this war.  The ones working to help the poor, the powerless and the unfortunate, for some reason don't seem to be hogging up the camera time the way some "religious leaders" do.  
        These people can call themselves "Christian" just like OBL can call himself Muslim.  It doesn't mean for a minute that they are adhering to the tenets of thier own so called faith.

        "The test of the morality of a society is what it does for its children." Bonhoeffer

        by LAMaestra on Thu Jul 19, 2007 at 03:12:33 PM PDT

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        •  Please...I Know Good Christians (0+ / 0-)

          exist...they are, unfortunately so much the exceptions proving the rule that I tend to generalize...

          The reason I reject organized religion is because I don't believe any two people can believe the exact same thing, less billions of them together...somewhere in there, most people are just going along to get along...

          I could have remained a practicing Catholic...

          if I could accept that Christ was divine, which I cannot...nor in His Resurrection, nor in His Miracles...I can believe he lived and, if He had, was a great visionary and man of peace...a D.F.H. of the first magnitude, even...but divine...surely the Church asks too much...

          or if I could accept that the Pope speaks for Christ...which I sure he doesn't...

          or if I could accept without argument so many of things I am expected to believe just because someone says that my God says I must...I wouldn't buy a used car without testing it first, I surely cannot buy at face value what some possibly demented people wrote on some scrolls...any more than I'd believe David Koresh...what's the difference?


          There is no proof...only faith...

          •  It's a personal journey. (2+ / 0-)
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            You have yours and only you can live it.  (What I mean is I'm not here to convince you of anything.)
            What I'm really mad about is people who have hijacked my faith, one which actively works for peace and justice, one where we are called to live in service and community, and turned its public face into something ugly and unrecognizable.  

            "The test of the morality of a society is what it does for its children." Bonhoeffer

            by LAMaestra on Thu Jul 19, 2007 at 08:39:27 PM PDT

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      •  You need to meet more people (4+ / 0-)

        I suggest hanging out in PastorDan's diaries on Sunday nights.

        Now up: Have you got a dollar? Fri: What are you reading? Sat: WHYGTL?

        by plf515 on Thu Jul 19, 2007 at 04:02:37 PM PDT

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        •  I Know There Are Good Christians (2+ / 0-)
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          out there...

          There are also great Buddhists, Taoists, Jews, Muslims and any other faith you wish to prove exists.  The world is teeming with good people...

          The existence of Good Christians doesn't prove Christianity correct.

          But the overwhelming hypocrisy and the sheer magnitude of evil acts committed in the name of all religions proves, to me, that no God as we know it would allow such people to do such things in His defies credulity...

          So the Muslim Crusades prove to me they're wrong.

          The slaughter and war described in the Old Testament proves to me the Jewish God doesn't exist.

          The history of the West proves to me that the Christian God doesn't exist...

          And so on...and so on...


          I love Pastor Dan...

          •  I agree with you (2+ / 0-)
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            rserven, Machiavelli Winked

            I'm an atheist from way back.... at least since age 6.

            I was reacting to your earlier statement, maybe I misread it

            Now up: Have you got a dollar? Fri: What are you reading? Sat: WHYGTL?

            by plf515 on Thu Jul 19, 2007 at 04:25:53 PM PDT

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            •  No Worries... (2+ / 0-)
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              I know going in that religion is a touchy doesn't take more than a carelessly worded statement to inflame.

              I'm also atheist...or agnostic...I don't even know...all I know is that I can believe that which is proven to me, even reasonably, like physical science.

              I don't believe in spirits or ghosts or a God or gods or in anything that would be termed as supernatural.

              My God is what I see around me, in the beauty of a sunset, or in the voice of a great singer, or in a moving poem or book.

              I believe that good and evil are human definitions of the world around us.  The rest of creation doesn't have, nor need a God.  There is natural law.

              Yikes...long comment.

              I'm just so tired of religion and the's like an insecure club, where they never have enough members, and always feel hated by everyone else...

              Perhaps we're just bored...

          •  How about the God of Einstein and Spinosa? (1+ / 0-)
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            The God of Jacob - the verb to be - "I am".

            The Bible has many words for God. The God of existence is the most fundamental.

            "It's the planet, stupid."

            by FishOutofWater on Thu Jul 19, 2007 at 07:13:02 PM PDT

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      •  I remember Viet Nam war protestors (2+ / 0-)
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        from before the mass protests. Quaker ladies sat quietly behind tables passing out antiwar literature to those who were interested.

        There are many quiet progressive Christians humbly helping the needy. You don't know of them because they don't do it to exalt themselves.

        "It's the planet, stupid."

        by FishOutofWater on Thu Jul 19, 2007 at 07:08:20 PM PDT

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    •  Amen, Owllwoman (2+ / 0-)
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      if any of them practiced what they preach, what wonders could be accomplished.  Or if we could clone Robyn, and have a million brilliant, kind, compassionate and dedicated math teachers.  Oh, I forgot gorgeous!

    •  Thank you, Owllwoman. (1+ / 0-)
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      You are very kind.

      I was raised a Lutheran.  I now call myself a taoist.  I wrote about my spiritual path in the essay Spirituality.

      Teacher's Lounge, Saturdays, noon EDT
      Next Diary: retrospection on Sunday

      by rserven on Thu Jul 19, 2007 at 02:56:32 PM PDT

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