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  •  true, although it happens to lesser degree (3+ / 0-)
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    because upper middle class schools still worry about their test scores - far too often real estate agents tout scores as part of the appeal of a particular neighborhood.  The level of distortion is less, but nevertheless even middle class schools experience it to some degree.

    Those who can, do. Those who can do more, TEACH! If impeachment is off the table, so is democracy

    by teacherken on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 05:17:05 AM PDT

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    •  The stories are beginning to role in (7+ / 0-)

      From the travesty that is NCLB.

      All we really have to do is to get people to talk to our kids, parents and teachers and we will understand that this policy is meant to kill the joy of learning, murder the creativity of teaching, and strangle the civic enterprise of public education.

      They are remaking the bill right now in the House and the media is not saying a word about any of this.  Of course, there is Iraq swallowing all the air of public attention.

      What have we become?  

      I fear for my country.

      Education? Teaching? NCLB? Read my book _Becoming Mr. Henry_

      by Mi Corazon on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 05:30:50 AM PDT

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      •  you are not alone in your fear (3+ / 0-)
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        there are those who recognize the importance of issues like education.  We have to support them where possible.

        Those who can, do. Those who can do more, TEACH! If impeachment is off the table, so is democracy

        by teacherken on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 05:35:43 AM PDT

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        •  a back to school gift (3+ / 0-)
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          I think I will give this to my son's principal. My son's elementary sounds comparable to the one in the book - a third get free lunches due to poverty, although overall the county is considered affluent(due to rising home and property costs and its reputation as a desirable place to live). Still, we have a lot of rural poor and immigrants in need of ESL. While kids like my son thrive, he does get bored with the repetition and I worry about budget cuts that may push us to look at private schools to keep him excited about learning.

          As always, teacherken, we appreciate your hard work and effort on behalf of all kids. See you in Chicago.

          Dear America: We told you so.

          by Chun Yang on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 07:21:19 AM PDT

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          •  Please stay and fight (2+ / 0-)
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            I am not asking that you sacrifice your child, but administrators need to hear from parents who don't but into the current test them 'til it hurts philosophy.

            Also speak to your state legislators. They listen to parents more than educators.

            Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling. - Cake

            by slatsg on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 07:31:19 AM PDT

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      •  Nobody wants to swim against the tide (3+ / 0-)
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        If one want to move up the carrer ladder, one goes along with the prevailing conventional wisdom complete with the current catch phrases.

        Want an administrative position? Better adhere to the party line.

        We are now being "data driven" using "scientifically based research". What data? What research? Doesn't matter. Just throw out the terminology and folks nod their heads.

        Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling. - Cake

        by slatsg on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 05:39:47 AM PDT

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        •  of course the data is not necessarily meaningful (4+ / 0-)
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          you can get tons of data, having benchmarks that will tell you have the students are performing on individual indicators of the standards, and break it out not only by individual students but by categories of students.  Of course, that assumes that the questions are reasonable, that the sampling of the material relevant to the indicator is not hit and miss, and the performance on the question is not affected by things other than what the student knows -  all of these assumptions are at least questionable.

          And with all the data you get what is sometimes referred to as paralysis by analyse -- you are supposed analyze the date to guide what happens in the classroom, what is called "data driven instruction."   Believe me, competent teachers know already what students can and cannot do, often why.  Incompetent teachers do not improve merely by telling them what their students are not learning.

          Those who can, do. Those who can do more, TEACH! If impeachment is off the table, so is democracy

          by teacherken on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 05:43:38 AM PDT

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          •  Exactly (2+ / 0-)
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            The sad thing is that people in education use this data to further their personal agendas at the expense of the total educational program.

            Thus at negotiation time administrators will drag out the tired and discredited "data" from the likes of Chester Finn to "prove" that class size doesn't matter, when in fact the wealth of evidence indicates just the opposite.

            They sleep with the enemy. They don't seem to understand that if Finn and his ilk had their way, they(the administrators) would also be out of work, or at least working at a privatized school for significantly less money.

            Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling. - Cake

            by slatsg on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 05:55:41 AM PDT

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    •  I was referring to upper middle class (1+ / 0-)
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      areas - average incomes of $100,000+. These schols would never sacrifice their art, music, or dance programs.

      I agree that in lower midle class schools NCLB has become more of a problem.

      Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling. - Cake

      by slatsg on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 05:32:03 AM PDT

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      •  no - they don't sacrifice those programs (4+ / 0-)
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        but they still sometimes wind up taking time away from meaningful instruction for test prep and practice tests.

        Those who can, do. Those who can do more, TEACH! If impeachment is off the table, so is democracy

        by teacherken on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 05:34:40 AM PDT

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