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  •  Biggest mistake of Democrats was (13+ / 0-)

    to give in to avoid the nuclear option.  We got Alito and continued obstruction from the Repubs.  There is nothing that the Repubs ever offer that we want.  

    They will not co-operate until they are thoroughly trounced.

    It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change. Charles Darwin

    by pioneer111 on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 09:45:53 AM PDT

    •  I advocated (3+ / 0-)

      going ahead and saying, go ahead, do the nuclear option, because I knew, sooner or later, we'd get our turn.

      •  No! (2+ / 0-)
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        Never do that; otherwise, we'd be subject to the tyranny of the majority.

        We need to expose the dirty tricks.  Remember, "Sunshine is the best disinfectant." (Brandeis)

        "People should not be afraid of their government; governments should be afraid of their people." --V

        by MikeTheLiberal on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 09:57:15 AM PDT

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        •  Apparently, whatever position we take, whether (4+ / 0-)

          we're in the majority or minority, results in our side being screwed.

          How the hell does that happen?

          "We're all in this together" -- Harry Tuttle, legendary plumber

          by bablhous on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:12:15 AM PDT

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          •  Structural advantages (0+ / 0-)

            The Republicans have several structural advantages over us. Fundamentally, we're a loose coalition of issues-based parties, while they're a tight coalition of authoritarian parties.

            (1) Because we're issue-based, to win we have to actually run the country and enact enormously complex legislation. Universal healthcare is going to be a monstrous piece of legislation, and will take serious congressional sausage-making to enact. So will any actual greenhouse gas controls. Shoring up labor will take an array of related bills. We'll have to work carefully to fix problems without crashing the economy.

            By contrast, the modern Republican party is an authoritarian party. They don't have to run the country to win, they just have to be "in charge." This gives them enormous freedom to just play parliamentary Calvinball, because if they stall everything, they win by default.

            (2) Because our coalition is loose, we tend to work at cross-purposes. Dingell, for example, is essentially a labor candidate, and as such doesn't actually have much issue overlap with environmentalists. We work as a party primarily because Republican control is disastrous for all our issues.

            By contrast, the Republican coalition is generally much tighter. Occasionally the corporate wing will split from the xenophobic and theocratic wings (as on immigration), but it happens much less frequently than it does for us.

            (3) Because we have a slight anti-authoritarian streak, it's hard for us to act in lockstep. This is true of both our liberals and our centrists--it's hard to imagine a John Dingell, a Barbara Lee, or a Diane Feinstein placidly kowtowing to the party line (much as it annoys us when centrists do that, it's ironically a solid demonstration that they aren't Republicans!)

            By contrast, the Republicans have a strong streak of outright authoritarianism. Republican "mavericks" generally cease to be so the moment they're called to actually vote. This makes it very easy for them to sustain filibusters.

            I've no idea what to do about the problem, beyond make it eminently clear to voters that if they want any sane action by the government on any issue, they have to drive the Republicans below 40 seats.

        •  I think (2+ / 0-)
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          the 60 vote minimum to do ANYTHING is a tyranny of the minority.

          I understand using the filibuster on certain occasions or in certain areas but now its devolved to the point that you need 60 Senators to do ANYTHING of note.

          I think that goes too far.

          •  Exactly (0+ / 0-)

            The Dems need to force the filibuster by the GOP.  This shows how bad they are blocking the government.

            Why is the GOP so afraid to have BUllSHit veto bills??  Oh, right; the Repugs are afraid to take a stand.

            "People should not be afraid of their government; governments should be afraid of their people." --V

            by MikeTheLiberal on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 11:39:41 AM PDT

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    •  Exactly (6+ / 0-)

      Why the fuck have a fillibuster when only right-wingers ever use it?

      "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is." - George W Bush

      by jfern on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 09:58:39 AM PDT

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    •  not to mention the other losers that he put on (4+ / 0-)

      some of the Federal Benches. Janice Rogers Brown, Priscilla Owen and the worst of the worst William Pryor. Oh the damage one man has done.

      "...and while other presidents have sucked in their own individual ways, Bush is like a Smorgsbord of suck."-Bill Maher on Real Time 5-25-07

      by Chamonix on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 09:59:56 AM PDT

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    •  remember (2+ / 0-)
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      eph89, pioneer111

      the nuclear option was only about judges. Anyway, I've got no problem with the fact of a filibuster - the framers intended to allow this.

      It's our and the Dem leaders job to expose it for what it is - killing popular bills.

      "People hate Bush and hate this war. It's that simple, and it's been true for quite some time" - Atrios

      by atrexler on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:04:06 AM PDT

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