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  •  real filibusters (9+ / 0-)

    This is why we need real filibusters, not just the threat of a filibuster.

    With the current "gentleman's" (cough) agreement on filibusters, the side "filibustering" doesn't actually need to do anything.  They just automatically change a 50-50 vote to 60-40 without any downside.  It's a freebie.

    With real, historic filibusters, the filibustering side needed to actually debate for all the time they claimed they wanted.  After all, a failed cloture debate is really a vote to continue debate.

    Well, if the effing Republicans really want to debate forever, then go ahead and let them debate, 24/7.  They're already tying up the Senate in knots by simple votes.  Making them actually debate isn't going to harm anything and will make them actually filibuster instead of the backroom, chickenshit non-filibuster filibuster.  

    •  I looked this up. (3+ / 0-)

      To change the Senate Rules (including Rule XXII, which provides for cloture votes), you need 67 votes. The last time the cloture rule was changed (to 60 votes) in 1975, the compromise was apparently that cloture votes were indicated automatically, without actually having to do the filibuster. That's why we haven't really seen any since then, and why Reid's all-night debate tactic required Democrats to do most of the work.

      This article is all I could really find about the technical details behind filibusters. If anyone else has more information, I'd really like to see it.

      •  cloture is fine (2+ / 0-)
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        I'm all for cloture votes.  But what happens if cloture fails?

        Technically, the debate continues.  I didn't see anything in that link which indicated that a failed cloture vote also closes debate (which would be odd.)  

        The new rules allow the Senate to move on to other issues while the filibuster continues.    I didn't see anything in the link requiring the Senate to move on if the cloture fails.

        It seems to me that Reid could allow the filibuster debate to continue.  And if the Republicans want to end it, well, they can vote for cloture.

        •  Do it right at the recess (3+ / 0-)
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          ferg, SueDe, Randall Sherman

          Let them spend their recess time talking about why they're protecting the President. Keep them in session until they run out of steam, then call for the up-or-down vote.

          That has the added benefit that the Senate is still in session, which means His Nibs can't create recess appointments.

          Depending on which Senators are involved, I'm not sure which would be worse -- spending August in Calcutta-on-the-Potomac protecting His Nibs, or going home to their constituents to explain why they're not supporting the troops. Maybe one after the other is the best option.

    •  Right. Make them work for every point... (4+ / 0-)

      ...of contention and make them pay hard when they fail to score! That's why we won the majority because the people were tired of their games. Unfortunately this isn't a game. People's lives are at stake here.

      "Our past patriots are spinning in their graves. Did they all die for this tyranny?" Change Course. Change Captains. Change crews. But save the ship!

      by ImpeachKingBushII on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:00:14 AM PDT

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    •  yes (4+ / 0-)
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      ferg, KJS, bablhous, Carbide Bit

      that would look so great on the nightly news:

      "The republicans in the Senate today talked for 10 hours about why they objected to voting on sending conferees to implement the 9/11 commission recommendations."

      "People hate Bush and hate this war. It's that simple, and it's been true for quite some time" - Atrios

      by atrexler on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:07:03 AM PDT

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