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  •  I hope you are met with open arms. (4+ / 0-)
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    TiaRachel, Elise, cfk, rserven

    It would be a shame to sabotage the caring and intelligence you clearly bring to the table.  Good luck.  I hope I'm around for some of it.  I'm a man, but these have been some of my favorite diaries.

    I want to bring up a minor point:

    And as far as I can see, it is women who have been the victims of binary gender.

    I'm fairly certain I know what you mean by this and that I agree.  But in case of any sloppiness, I want to point out that men and women both suffer from the hierarchical, aggressive, and non-empathetic aspects of male dominance (just for three examples).  Women suffer in particular ways, and it is useful for all of us to address the particular suffering of women.  I do want to add, however, that our suffering is intertwined and inseparable.  A lot of men may be unaware of this, but they suffer nonetheless.

    In my mind I compare it to the suffering caused by slavery.  Certainly we grieve the horrendous suffering of the slaves themselves.  Without diminishing that, we can also begin to understand the suffering of many women in the households of slave owners, particularly the wives of those slave owners.  Their agony is documented in diaries and less direct sources.  It is more of a stretch, but I hope we can also appreciate that certainly some good-hearted men were also cut off from their best feelings as victims of a system they lacked the wherewithal to challenge.  And most of them probably remained unaware of the nature of their own suffering.  In short, if suffering exists in a system of humans, I choose to believe that no one in the system escapes the pain of separation which is the foundation of all suffering.

    The only frame change that matters: the corporate media = propaganda machine. Americans must find their news elsewhere.

    by geomoo on Fri Jul 27, 2007 at 03:03:22 PM PDT

    •  As I said above... (3+ / 0-)
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      TiaRachel, Elise, geomoo

      ...that was what I said then, but I have grown.  And times have changed.

      With that audience, if I would have said, "Men suffer, too," I would have lost them.

      •  And times have changed. (2+ / 0-)
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        Elise, rserven

        Such a hopeful sentence.  It is difficult to appreciate how much these things have changed in my lifetime.  My guess is that it would excruciating to be transported back to a discussion of gender in 1968, to pick a year out of thin air.  I picture a lot of confusion and unfocused anger.  We have learned a lot from all the hard work and upsetting arguments, haven't we?

        The only frame change that matters: the corporate media = propaganda machine. Americans must find their news elsewhere.

        by geomoo on Fri Jul 27, 2007 at 03:24:30 PM PDT

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