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  •  How are you going to draw that line? (1+ / 0-)
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    I say keep the camel's nose out of the tent and, like the Founders, trust the citizens to have brains and not need a government agency to predigest their thinking for them.  Any such government bureaucracy to determine truth WILL be controlled by wealthy powerful special interests with their own self-serving agendas, and I am being staggered here by the near unanimity of so-called progressives failing to grasp this fact.

    •  Simple. The legal means are already there. (0+ / 0-)

      Where to begin? Truth is always determined by the courts as it pertains to facts, otherwise a legal system could not function: Mitigating circumstances, libel, fraud - without the courts determining what is the truth, such terms simply could not exist. When a ruling is made, the actual state of affairs (the facts) is always subsumed under a legal rule, which means that the objective truth is always determined.

      Now, subjective truth - beliefs and opinions - is another matter. To give an example: If Fox News were to dis Hillary's policies with bullshit arguments, there's nothing she could do. If they claimed (and, say, doctored photographs) that she's buggered daily by horses, they better have some credible facts to back the statement up in order to avoid libel charges, an apology to Hillary, and a hefty fine.

      So, having made clear that the legal system determines objective truth daily, I fail to see why it should not pertain to this case. It isn't a matter of opinion (subjective truth), it is a matter of facts.

      As for the special interests. Yes, they influence the government - as do the interests of every social group. It is a normal social dynamic. If people do not want to be ruled by special interests, they need to take an active role in politics. Otherwise democracy is dead.

      Omne malum nascens facile opprimitur, inveteratum fit plerumque robustius. - Cicero

      by Dauphin on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 06:36:46 AM PDT

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    •  Um... (0+ / 0-)

      2+2=4?

      Some truths we hold to be self-evident.

      Zapp Brannigan: Stop exploding, you cowards!

      by LnGrrrR on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 06:39:07 AM PDT

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      •  See my reply above, please. n/t (0+ / 0-)

        Omne malum nascens facile opprimitur, inveteratum fit plerumque robustius. - Cicero

        by Dauphin on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 06:40:47 AM PDT

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        •  So... (0+ / 0-)

          Wealthy government is what tells us 2+2=4?

          Tell me how a citizen would be able to 'use their brains' to determine say, if Fox News was being truthful if they disseminated a false tornado warning? Or a false chemical attack warning? Or any other emergency?

          Zapp Brannigan: Stop exploding, you cowards!

          by LnGrrrR on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 06:43:47 AM PDT

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          •  Err... (0+ / 0-)

            I defended the government's right to determine objective truth in specific cases, as you surely could've seen in my reply to ActivistGuy. Perhaps you've read the wrong comment?

            Omne malum nascens facile opprimitur, inveteratum fit plerumque robustius. - Cicero

            by Dauphin on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 06:46:25 AM PDT

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            •  lol (1+ / 0-)
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              Dauphin

              I responded to you erroneously after you responded to me erroneously (the 2+2 comment was in response to activist guy) :)

              Yes, I am in complete agreement with you Dauphin.

              Zapp Brannigan: Stop exploding, you cowards!

              by LnGrrrR on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 02:08:16 PM PDT

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